are you fucking dumb or something joker?

Obama's not really close to DemSoc

I wouldn't go insulting others' intelligence if paradox is too big a word for you

He's probably SocDem or SocLib

if anything

you are insulting joker

Bernie's closer to DemSoc, and he's WAY more radical than Obama bin Laden'

again, he's still a socialist.

joker can't seem to understand that

he literally strengthened private sector employment and legislated health insurance and defense companies into greater riches. try again.

wut?

that doesn't change anything that he's still a socialist dude

Umm hello, he's a democrat socialist.

so we're just pretending you don't know what socialist means, today, are we?

or whatever loremaster said

you sure don't joker

next you'll be saying obama is right wing, hahahahaha

I know a socialist wouldn't literally legislate that the citizenry purchase a private service

or even allow said private service to exist

and not instead, oh, *nationalize it?*

suuure buddy, and that magically makes him not a socailist

you fucking nong

what industry did Obama seize from private owners?

SocLibs and SocDems aren't socialist

anyone?

Obama's clearly a capitalist

maybe not to the extent that Trump might be

anyone at all?

but Obama's firmly an establishment Dem TBH

(at least currently)

Biden is too, to an extent

yes, he's certainly that

he'd be the fucking hegemon of Dem establishment if they didn't have the whole progressive stack thing going on

No, obama is still a socialist.

still have yet to explain how so much private business was strengthened under a socialist

and not, you know, seized

if obama a capitalist then he's did a pretty poor job at it as one of the most useless presidents out there

depends who you ask

defense contractors seem to think he did just fine

also banks

i mean he didn't really get anything done and he pretty much was just a fence sitter