Ayyyy lmao

with it being the rate of change due to external factors vs rate of change due to internal factors respectively

tfw the entire EU has a GDP of 18T apparently

and its grown back up into something 90% different than it was originally

It is still absolutely what it was

Not at all

we have the modern take of their feudal culture

you still aren't following; as i said, it was a bad example and you are just elaborating on how 'bad'

they still do all the same crazy shit, still have the same social and cultural impetus

they haven't changed.

they've evolved into peak human

no i used the internet as another example, im just dipping back to japan cuz ninja ;p

but not by losing their culture

by growing its complexity

which is why i say we didn't nuke them enough

4-5 nukes would have solved the culture problem

culture is of course the universal problem

ninja you realise we arent talking about 'since we nuked them' right? that happened 100 years before we nuked them

I'm talking about since the first european missionaries arrived.

@Monstrous Moonshine can you provide the article where mr Turkheimer says that?

to try to bootstrap the example using Japan, social cohesion was a function of the values of the society which by large part revolved around the emperor. that idea was deeply ingrained into the society and the entire structure that supported it had to be destroyed for that to change. they literally has to build a new nation with a new set of core values

revolved around the emperor?

the fuck

ya we totally changed everything about them... they only kept like 10%... then put ultra emphasis on that 10% which is why they went relativey crazy :p

you're really ignorant you dipshit

but thats cultural.. not social

Because conveniently enougj I went over to his Researchgate profile

socialy we advanced them at lightspeed

And according to Researchgate he never published an article with that title

one can't remain without the other; social cohesion is what kept the country together and that culture was it's source

Japan maybe centerd around the emperor in like 500 AD

remove that cohesion, and the structure starts to implode

Japan's culture was to always be at war with itself

Then we westerners arrived and fucked that all up

as with Rome, the Visigoth conquest was just the final nail in the coffin. it was the internal divisions which truly destroyed Rome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXgWvFd16iI roomer hours

We ruined their culture

Lol

in america.. your social cohesion is 'im a fucking american'... your cultural shit is a basket full of scrambled eggs

Rome failed because the leaders kept squabbling

used to be