It's the biggest issue i have with abortion

Your body your choice is fine, that kid isn't your body

its not for safety its to be morality consistent with the basic fundaments of the idea of human rights.

> that kid isn't your body
But it's leeching off you @randomNPCno3

https://amgreatness.com/2019/11/21/clearing-the-air-on-the-right/#.XdgxiS4TWt9.twitter
Charlie Kirk bending the knee on immigration?

Again I’m not a huge fan of the individualism of today.. and even then if an adult cuts themselves up they’ll be deemed not mentally well

Do you kill leeches?

@HunterxTitan no, I take them off and release them

And if you can't?

Then, you kill them.

And stopped from doing so... so... idk even adults don’t have full autonomy even in our current system

its not individualism today, it is the basis of the constitution.

Killing a leech still attached is dangerous, you don't do it. And getting them to release is incredibly simple. Worst case scenario you just wait

> you don't do it
You do if there's no other option.

Same for abortion.

the fundamental right is based on man, on its own, without the interference of an outside force.

There's always another option, that is better than forcing anticoagulants into the wound

"Hur dur, don't have sex"

Pick a better metaphor

That one doesn't work

The constitution in many ways is based on a traditional view shai. It specifically says our rights are endowed by god

A higher power

Not specifically god

Something transcendental. So it cannot be taken off of this earth . And well that’s your view random but our forefathers called it god

And that’s important

A metaphorical force that outranks the state

yes but the philosophical frame work underlying it and all natural rights come from one idea, man in its natural state.

Metaphor worked fine

Removal of the leech is likely to kill it

Yet you do it anyway.

As in, "these are not to be messed with by man"

Mandalorian spieode 3 is out, brb

@HunterxTitan proper removal has no effect on the leech

Yea don’t have sex whore. It’s not that hard to not get pregnant especially with contraception. So actually just don’t be a stupid whore

Be a smart whore

Then when it has nothing to leech off of

It dies.

Same for a baby.

Go watch your show, let me guess. You're probably a supporter of "up to the point of birth"

I don't give a shit about em

Man in its natural state does not have these freedoms though