Starve and die

That happens in a vacuum too

you are not geeing the idea of "no external force"

Idk. This all seems a rather new...esoteric view of a human that doesn’t exist

Natural state doesn't include how humans interact with each other naturally, just what a human singular is. They have a body and a voice and an instinct for self defense and survival

its not about a human that exists. its a thought experiment from which all rights are derived from in western thought.

How is hunger an “external force”

Right and it’s also paired with god. Church and state are separated yes but church is still meant to be an important factor to this equation

you can call it "man in eden" if you wish

I mean it says it in the document

the same ideas come out of it

It’s like yo btw god likes us having guns and shiz so deal with it

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more like if you want to kill and slaugher a pig you will need a pointy stick and a flint blade

It’s natural but even if you don’t agree. Boom god

Get rekt

Guns are an extrapolation of the human right to self defense.

And I like thaaaat I like that ultimate checkmate.

It’s the only way we combat our free speech being taken and shit guys

Because they believe in these things that aren’t real and don’t exist

exactly. the right is not just to its most privative form, but also, all developments along that line, especially if you can make them yourself

The commies and shiz

The radical leftists

you do not need god to win that argument, ifcast everything you can do without resorting to it will be much better.

I doubt that

I’m not a super religious person even. But I can tell you these kinds of people are beyond reason in our government and etc

to resort to gods name is to expect him to fight your battles for you. god is neither servant or soldier. carry your own philosophical back pack.

I would have been a great preacher lol

I have no issue with relying on tradition because it’s worked and got us here. Some messes made along the way yes... but that always happens

God is a subjective answer, if someone believes it effective. But if someone even just has doubts than it harms your argument. It's always better to base your argument in observable reality

It’s an integral part

And they use subjective answers to reason

The radical leftists

i have no issue with tradition until in conflicts with other things like natural rights.

And they sound like drooling morons as a result

Dude... the natural rights are a tradition that was started

So I mean relatively new... but your still appealing to something that’s 300ish years old

And is backed up by the very existence of the west

Observable reality

So yes we use reality against them but when it fails

and it will.