Just in time for them to do nothing again just like in 2017/18

is there anything stopping an impeached president to go for re election?

if they are impeached but not removed there's basically no effect

they need to be convicted and removed by the senate to face any practical repercussions

while it's possible that the republicans may lose a few senate seats in 2020, they will likely retain control of the senate.

and conviction in an impeachment requires two-thirds

there would have to be massive underhanded shenanigans in order to get trump convicted

one thing to consider here is the exact wording in the constitution:

`The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present.`

there is possibility for shenanigans in the phrase 'members **present**'

if somehow the republicans lose control of the senate, even if the democrats don't have a super-majority they could conceivably perform some procedural shenanigans to hold the impeachment vote when a significant number of republicans aren't present.

in realistic terms though a senate conviction is extremely unlikely. it would take unprecedented subversion of the normal processes of government.

@pwdto

> it would take unprecedented subversion of the normal processes of government.

Well put. But I wouldn't be surprised.

>inb4 the Nuclear Option

so gonna repost my insane ranting from the news section here

For those who want it, this appears to be what the house resolution on impeachment is in full.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6393-read-the-resolution-on-impeach/fe29cf89a1170104436e/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
now the question is, according to lines 1-13 on page 4, it would appear the minority leader is entitled to depose any witness they would like and be present for such meetings (though that requires the good graces of the speaker of the house). what are the chances the republicans try to re-depose all the depositions that were done before this passed?

Also, I may be reading this wrong. but they seem to have given a 72 hour time limit for the republicans to submit written requests for any witnesses, starting today from the passing of this. (page 3 Lines 15-25)

I may be WAAAAAAAY over thinking this, and require someone who knows a bit more about the workings of the house and congress than i do. but the house does not meet again until the 12th of November, with no votes being held tomorrow. I may be reading this wrong or something, but it would appear that there will be no time within that 72 hour window for a written request for witnesses to be submitted. they could not be that blatant about it right? Like I must be misreading or misunderstanding something.

this vote appears to have been at 3pm. AKA the last vote of the day, on the last day of session for 2 week.

given that the democrats hold the house they can do any sort of procedural nonsense they want. virtually all of the 'rules' are just conventions, and at this stage of the game there's no need to maintain conventions.

we're in the political endgame of this iteration of the american republic. the democrats intend to establish a one-party state. why stick to conventions?

We all know the Impeachment Is gonna be DOA. so the goal is to try and crush the republicans by saying that trump did something impeachable so the only way to hold him into account is to vote out every single republican possible. that iss assuming they dont just pull the totalitarian card when they don't get their way.

i don't really know what their precise strategy is. it seems as if the senate is their big stumbling block. without a way to get around the two-thirds vote for removal, there's no real way to outright take over through impeachment. if they have some strategy for doing that i don't know what it is.

maybe they're still banking on some hidden dirt, and they just want to use congressional subpoena powers for oppo research.

but honestly trump is the most closely investigated president in history.

if there was dirt, they'd have it by now.

Thats just it, i don't think they WANT impeachment. they want the investigation to make him look bad. they want the cloud of doubt like russiagate.

that doesn't seem to be having any traction though. trump's approval ratings haven't really moved.

yet. they now have an "open and fair" investigation where they can run the leading depositions they asked for the last half month in public every day.

that seems like a desperation strategy to me. people are tuning this shit out. it's not having an impact.

its all they have left. no democrat had a chance against him, they have no issues to stand on. all they have lefts is smears and blatant partizanship

the goal is to make him look corrupt. and if he "gets away with it" they can attempt to make the republicans looks systematically corrupt

precisely because they have no legitimate path forward i think there must be some sort of hidden strategy

i don't know yet what that might be, but these people aren't just going to lose with grace and humility.

there's literally nothing that i think the left would refuse to stoop to

is it possible to bar the senate? like physically prevent the senators from entering the senate?

i have seem a few things like that happen in the Canadian senate

well, we're getting into extreme hypotheticals now, but there could be several different ways of removing senators.

but you'd need to remove a lot to get to the two-thirds threshold.

or flip some.

another thing to remember is that the trial is presided over by the chief justice

we don't know what 'presided' over means in this context, as the chief justice isn't the one making the call. it's still a vote.