Virgin Libtard VS Chad Statist

Hear hear

Also supportinghate crime laws makes you an authoritarian

If you know it or not

I don't care if I'm authoritarian or not tbh

I care about outcomes

I’m not saying you care

But these so called liberals and libertarians that support hate crime laws

Hate speech laws are tyrannical by nature

Well, not really..

@bobthebuilder69 Imagine not having nuance

They control speech?

How is that not authoritarian

Some "speech" needs to be controlled, though.

Authoritarian and tyranical are different.

How?

For example, leading a mob into a town and telling them to wreck the place.

@bobthebuilder69 there is a difference between authoritarian and tyrannical

Yeah kinda then

All tyrannies are authoritarian but not vice versa

And inciting violence doesn’t count as free speech

That is not covered under free speech anyway

And hate speech laws don’t just cover inciting of violence

You missed her point

@bobthebuilder69 not that I disagree, but why not?

Who’s she?

Tyche

And are you asking about the free speech thing @killerqwerty

@bobthebuilder69 yes

Why doesn’t free speech protect incitement to violence? the reason is, incitement to violence is encouraging violence, and violence isn’t speech so it isn’t covered under free speech

Free speech has limits like slander and inciting violence, but hate speech laws don’t cover either of those

@bobthebuilder69 yes, the violence isn't speech, but why isn't the encouragement?

It would depend the context of the encouragement

If someone randomly says it to you in a expressionless voice, it’s a bit different then someone speaking to a riled up crowd, telling the crowd to fucking riot and kill those foreigners

So in some contexts the encouragement is almost guaranteed to lead to violence, it should be dealt with on a case by case basis as imwouldnt want obvious jokes to be seen as incitement

@bobthebuilder69 as we've seen from the count dankula trial, context doesn't matter. that also doesn't explain why the person inciting should be held responsible for the person incited.

Context doesn’t matter in terms of our current government but I’m saying that it should, we don’t live in a country with free speech anyway

And because in certain cases, the person wouldn’t of done the violence without the inviter

Inciter*

If that’s a word

Instigator, more like

Though, inciter does seem like a valid word, and may just be common enough to be dictionaried.