Message from @Spooky Melon

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2019-11-02 00:57:10 UTC  

Yeah we can get into why they promote socialism and defines itself as socialist. But if we look at it as objectively as we can it’s state capitalist

2019-11-02 00:57:29 UTC  

"State capitalism is an economic system in which the state undertakes commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity and where the means of production are organized and managed as state-owned business enterprises (including the processes of capital accumulation, wage labor and centralized management), or where there is otherwise a dominance of corporatized government agencies (agencies organized along business-management practices) or of publicly listed corporations in which the state has controlling shares.[1] Marxist literature defines state capitalism as a social system combining capitalism with ownership or control by a state— by this definition, a state capitalist country is one where the government controls the economy and essentially acts like a single huge corporation, extracting the surplus value from the workforce in order to invest it in further production.[2] "

2019-11-02 00:57:29 UTC  
2019-11-02 00:57:30 UTC  

Notice how they fixate on the latter part of that paragraph and not the former

2019-11-02 00:57:34 UTC  

so hold on here.

2019-11-02 00:57:40 UTC  

if china is state capitalist

2019-11-02 00:57:47 UTC  

then how was the USSR not?

2019-11-02 00:57:50 UTC  

imagine thinking colonialism and slavery are the same thing as capitalism

2019-11-02 00:58:14 UTC  

I was told that mercantilism is the same as capitalism

2019-11-02 00:58:25 UTC  

Hurr durr

2019-11-02 00:58:26 UTC  

The USSR isn’t real communism because real communism is impossible

2019-11-02 00:58:32 UTC  

The only issue with slavery is now we have nigger infestation we cant get rid of

2019-11-02 00:58:36 UTC  

if china today is state capitalist

2019-11-02 00:58:40 UTC  

then the USSR was state capitalist

2019-11-02 00:58:44 UTC  

Pure equality or lack of hierarchy is autistic

2019-11-02 00:58:44 UTC  

because the USSR

2019-11-02 00:58:48 UTC  

took the means of production

2019-11-02 00:58:49 UTC  

Then disregard the utopian ideals and focus on what happened you mong @snake

2019-11-02 00:58:51 UTC  

and made the country

2019-11-02 00:58:51 UTC  

I was told the genocide in the congo was caused by capitalism lol

2019-11-02 00:58:53 UTC  

one big corp

2019-11-02 00:59:25 UTC  

your definition quite frankly

2019-11-02 00:59:28 UTC  

makes the USSR

2019-11-02 00:59:32 UTC  

state capitalist

2019-11-02 00:59:33 UTC  

Imagine denying USSA as communist

2019-11-02 00:59:44 UTC  

Yeah but there is economic freedom in China to some extend. In the USSR the government just controlled everything directly but in China they heavily regulate businesses and work with them

2019-11-02 00:59:56 UTC  

If death and suffering are caused trying to enforce communism we can still call them communist despite failing you trogs

2019-11-02 01:00:03 UTC  

the businesses ultimately still work for the government

2019-11-02 01:00:05 UTC  

@snake okay, but look at your hallowed definition

2019-11-02 01:00:15 UTC  

it also defines the USSR

2019-11-02 01:00:33 UTC  

"What even are definitions"

2019-11-02 01:00:34 UTC  

@snake there is economic freedom in designated zones, not across the nation

2019-11-02 01:00:35 UTC  

By who Baba?

2019-11-02 01:00:36 UTC  

This chat rn

2019-11-02 01:00:52 UTC  

"my definitions say that the USSR is state capitalist"

2019-11-02 01:00:53 UTC  

>ford

2019-11-02 01:00:56 UTC  

Yeah like Hong Kong

2019-11-02 01:01:05 UTC  

Hong Kong isn't China

2019-11-02 01:01:13 UTC  

"real communism has never been tried"

2019-11-02 01:01:20 UTC  

Honk Kong is British