Of mitochondrial haplogroup L3.

The genetic ancestor to M and N which comprise every non-Sub-Saharan on earth.

Not including back-migration into Africa that is where further interbreeding happened but you get the idea.

What's up with the claim that Africa wasn't the cradle of civilization?

Well, cradle of humanity and cradle of civilisation are two different concepts.

There are bone fragments discovered of the genus *homo* which lie outside Africa and are close in age to or older than those found in Africa.

But there's too few of them compared to the abundance *in* Africa to really assert a different origin point.

Thanks. Very informative.

I can't remember if it deals exclusively with homo sapiens though, we speciated about 350,000 years ago and became behaviourally modern about 60-50,000 years ago but *homo* is a lot older.

Mesopotamia is often regarded as the cradle of civilisation, or the fertile crescent in general which does include Egypt.

Sumer and Egypt are contestants for oldest civilisation but it really depends how you define the word.

@fvriovs you're a *homo*

Dont be a cuck guys

There are the younger dryas catastrophy theories too

Thank you jack, haha.

@Danacrag such people disgust me

I had a friend that was a cuck

She treated him poorly

I definitely wouldn't rule it out, that there was advanced civ in africa before end of younger dryas

I really, really don't like that shit

If your wife is having sex with other guys she isnt a good wife

I'm skeptical of that @leavethisbotnet.

It's only after the Younger Dryas that agriculture became possible.

Coinciding with the start of the Neolithic.

The flood myths are definitely something that makes me a lot less sceptical

And agriculture has been more or less necessary for advanced civilisation.

@leavethisbotnet of?

My favourite conundrum

https://infogalactic.com/info/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

Many of the myths do talk about a civilization that was swept away by the (usually) flood

It's no coincidence that major civilisations always emerged around fertile rivers. The Nile, Tigris and Euphrates, whatever the Chinese one is called.

I do like that site Sq.

12,000 years old.

Impressive.

@leavethisbotnet They do, but I wouldn't put too much stock in how the myths assess their own ancestry.

Medieval artists were depicting scenes from the Bronze Age Bible with everyone in medieval armour

The Sumerian King List goes back over 200,000 years.

I'm not convinced these people actually had a concept of pre-civilisation.

So whilst there may have been oral traditions of a flood or higher sea levels.