Message from @ManAnimal
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The only reason I can think of why severability might be excluded from a home improvement contract is cuz of liability. If part of the project fails, it could damage the structural integrity of the whole. Again, so far as I know, there's nothing stopping a severability clause, but if there is, that could be the reason.
yt TOS is trying to play both sides; tort AND contract
Pretty much the entirety of law boils down to liability and who is responsible for what
Lets be honest though, most companies are only operating psuedo-legally. Everyone has the "official manual" and "how we actually do things manual" so to say
Contract > tort
true, but the same document cannot cover both
further, without a pen and ink signature..
that tos isn't shit
False
Is there not precedent for clicks being a signatory substitute?
electronic signatures are only valid for limited types of agreements
We learned about that when I studied law. A wet ink signature is merely EVIDENCE of consent, not consent itself. This is why electronic signatures usually have a clause to the effect of "by clicking here, you effectively consent."
Thought there was, but then the whole thing is legally grey. I know EULA is officially no longer legally binding and TOS are very similar in nature.
Outward actions give rise to inward thoughts, or something along those lines.
you are agreeing with me
Electronic signatures are valid
'evidence of consent' is correct
but that isn't BINDING
Click here to agree to this contract that gives us your mind, body, and soul : 🔲
The only time it wouldn't be binding is in the case of duress or fraud in the inducement or unconscionability or something like that
which basically describes ANY tos
there is the other caveat too; both parties must be provided a COPY of the contract for reference
an immutable copy
The court considers a signature (electronic or otherwise) to be "good enough" evidence of consent for the aforementioned reason. If you didn't really wanna do it, why'd you sign where it says "you agree"?
last time i checked, electronic contracts are not immutable
that is just the current precedence though
german officer capturing a polish jew to personally deliver them to a concentration camp
because relatively few such cases have been heard
@Marushia Dark because there's no way im reading all that garbage im not likely to fully grasp without taking a lot of time for anyway
> which basically describes ANY tos
That's a separate matter and that's more of a grey area. You could potentially argue that point that no reasonable person ACTUALLY reads the ToS, but by the same token, you ought to know with whom you deal and you still have a duty to read it. So, you're gambling with that argument.
more to the point, you could argue that clause wasn't PRESENT on the orignal version
I at least skim through ToS and just about anything I sign
and because your weren't provided a copy
and they control the only MASTER copy
they can change it when and to what they wish at will
"To be able to know is the same as to know. This maxim is applied to the duty of every one to know the law." ~ Legal Maxim
without notifying the other party