Message from @Black

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2019-01-18 04:29:04 UTC  

Exactly pgrabber lol

2019-01-18 04:29:14 UTC  

the thing is you can steelman your own arguments by testing them against people who disagree with you

2019-01-18 04:29:19 UTC  

this goes back to what i said earlier

2019-01-18 04:29:30 UTC  

If you only focus on avoiding an echo chamber, you'll hear "The freer the market, the freer the people!" 100x when discussing economics **or** you can just study economics with like-minded friends.

2019-01-18 04:29:31 UTC  

if you talk to someone who disagrees with you

2019-01-18 04:29:44 UTC  

and they prove a pov you have to be weak or invalid and u cant back it up

2019-01-18 04:30:01 UTC  

you can then look at what they attacked and strengthen that part of your argument

2019-01-18 04:30:05 UTC  

The people who disagree with me are generally extremely unintelligent and I gain nothing from them. I gain nothing from reading the same argument over and over.

2019-01-18 04:30:09 UTC  

People who I agree with most of the time don't make retarded arguments, that's why I continue to talk to them

2019-01-18 04:30:39 UTC  

Yeah but I've already done that for months Black

2019-01-18 04:30:49 UTC  

Trust me, I've spent hundreds of hours debating a series of topics and I do not grow when adding to that body count.

2019-01-18 04:30:52 UTC  

Probably watched like 100 hours of debates by now

2019-01-18 04:30:55 UTC  

im sure every person on earth believes that same thing pgrabber lol

2019-01-18 04:31:17 UTC  

everybody things they’re right and if you disagree you’re wrong or dumb

2019-01-18 04:31:52 UTC  

Yep, the difference is that I've changed my worldview multiple times, each time going closer to the truth

2019-01-18 04:32:10 UTC  

Most people cling onto the first ideology that comes their way and stick with it

2019-01-18 04:32:26 UTC  

and how did you change your worldview?

2019-01-18 04:32:30 UTC  

That's why college is the ideal place to brainwash people

2019-01-18 04:32:32 UTC  

by talking to people?

2019-01-18 04:32:43 UTC  

The majority of people are stupid and most experts are either mindless sheep or smart but unable to express themselves fully.

2019-01-18 04:32:45 UTC  

reading different shit?

2019-01-18 04:32:49 UTC  

Talking to people, watching debates etc

2019-01-18 04:32:53 UTC  

exactly

2019-01-18 04:33:00 UTC  

thats my whole point

2019-01-18 04:33:10 UTC  

talking to people is beneficial

2019-01-18 04:33:20 UTC  

But you're missing *my* point, you don't have to go talk to some dumb leftists to hear different ideas

2019-01-18 04:33:38 UTC  

i don’t necessarily mean leftists in general

2019-01-18 04:33:44 UTC  

My worldview is finding who is beneficial to society and who is parasitic and it's a very useful worldview. It's neither left or right wing and since it is based on my values, it's never wrong.

2019-01-18 04:33:49 UTC  

i mean people outside of an echo chamber

2019-01-18 04:33:50 UTC  

I mostly changed from talking to people who were already similar to me, but we still had some differences and they argued their piece well

2019-01-18 04:34:04 UTC  

I don't think echo chambers exist without censorship

2019-01-18 04:34:05 UTC  

Tbh

2019-01-18 04:34:29 UTC  

The less general a topic is, the more likely I am to change my mind when exposed to people talking about it.

2019-01-18 04:34:43 UTC  

I don't seek out opposing viewpoints, I seek out intelligent people.

2019-01-18 04:34:48 UTC  

^

2019-01-18 04:34:57 UTC  

People who are worth talking to

2019-01-18 04:35:08 UTC  

People like destiny are a waste of time

2019-01-18 04:35:10 UTC  

intelligent people can have opposing viewpoints though

2019-01-18 04:35:14 UTC  

They can

2019-01-18 04:35:29 UTC  

to write off anyone who disagrees with you as “unintelligent” seems

2019-01-18 04:35:29 UTC  

Intelligent people have a long list of books they've read, concepts they understand, etc. and there is a 0% chance you studied everything they have studied in the same detail.