Message from @Storin
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However in the case of some Goebbels type coming along and managing to propagandarise people it could be a net negative
agreed, in fact no one should be allowed to vote that cannot clearly describe the position of BOTH canadates
or the trade-offs involved in any one issue
Precisely my problem with people in todays democracies tbh
"I want leave" "do you know the position of remain" Well they want to remain" "yea ok, but why" "..." switch it to the opposite and its the same tbh
yeah, what does leaving entail? if BOTH sides were clear on this the vote would be more balanced
I genuinely don't care what peoples positions are IRL provided they can defend them, like if someone can make a good flat earth argument i'd be like "ok fair one" where as someone who says "the world is round coz we all know that" is more likely to get ridicule from me
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well, 'caring' or even 'agreeing' with one's position is irrelevant. Only that you UNDERSTAND the position the other is taking
Leaving for me was always about a no deal leave tbh. then we can negotiate from that position any deals we want as an independent nation (do we want tariff or tariff free deals with the EU, etc)
Direct democracies would only work if everyone was educated, thought critically and was intelligent enough to apply those qualities
Anything less isn't a real BRexit and still ties us in, not to mention leaving the EU is just the first part, there are still 3 other European institutions (such as the ECHR) that we also have to leave
Social media shit storms and job lynch mobs show how well that works in application
Not very
speaking as an american though, i think it was more than alittle naive to think Brexit would be executed when it required more than a single election cycle to implement
Well tbh that is because remain and the globalists are totally against it
You have a parliament that is at least 75% remain as well
negotiates are like playing poker and you can't play the game if the moment the cards are dealt, everyone knows your hand
Brexit didn't happen because Parliament blocked it at every turn
Nobody significant wants BRexit to happen at the top
Parliament needs dissolving, completely
@ManAnimal I like negotiating with pre-knowledge on the results 😉
@OneTrueGod, i think you are confusing 'cause' and ' effect'
The tories didn't want it, then when BoJo came in the opposition of EVERY PARTY basically worked together (which is unheard of) and have denied every single law/position he has tried to pass
Proving minority govts don't work, and increasing the British peoples disposition to a tyrannical authoritarian govt
one side knows the end, if you're not it, you lose
Brexit required someone to actively pursue and execute according to a pre-established plan
That is literallt what the opposition has done- made almost half of Brits consider throwing down liberty and democracy
The other week people in Parliament were talking about incels, 4chan, 8chan and misogyny, they need flushing down the toilet, all of them
The minister doesn't give a flying fuck about teenagers not having sex
the pre established plan that was on the ballot was "leave completely" or "remain" with the implications being leave was no deal exist, and remain was potentially closer Union (such as the Euro in the future)
Parliament are worthless trash
What SHOULD have happend is that a seperate committee independant of Paraliment should have been tasked for carrying out Brexit BEFORE they announced the results
Since the country picked leave everyone has tried to gerrymander it and say "well it wasnt clear" etc
that way, the committee could do the dealing while business carried on as usual
All full of crap they are
and the committee wouldn't be concerned with re-election
Pretty clear to me, leave the eu
Look at labour- if they get it they will make a weak deal and campaign for remain, the lib dems have already committed sedition (as recognised by parliament c1600 approx) by going off and negotiating with a foreign political entity on behalf of the UK when they are not in power
The SNP don't care about anything except pissing off England