Message from @Fuksias

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2019-09-17 20:23:17 UTC  

So they must either be suicidal, or, think twice before trying anything stupid.

2019-09-17 20:23:49 UTC  

Natural selection will do its thing over the generations in such kind of a system.

2019-09-17 20:24:28 UTC  

Instability is bad for the wealth of a nation

2019-09-17 20:24:53 UTC  

That's why democratic countries are superior on average, because they're more stable

2019-09-17 20:25:23 UTC  

The more people have to worry about survival, the less they are willing to invest

2019-09-17 20:25:24 UTC  

Disagree.

2019-09-17 20:25:32 UTC  

lol that's basic economics

2019-09-17 20:25:35 UTC  

It depends on the time span.

2019-09-17 20:25:49 UTC  

You can disagree all you want, every economist agrees on this

2019-09-17 20:26:11 UTC  

Too stable countries get into stagnation over a long enough period of time because they run out of fresh ideas.

2019-09-17 20:26:26 UTC  

May be the economists are wrong, then.

2019-09-17 20:26:30 UTC  

wtf are you talking about

2019-09-17 20:26:37 UTC  

Stagnation of what kind?

2019-09-17 20:26:42 UTC  

Tell me about a society that didn't get into a stagnation?

2019-09-17 20:27:26 UTC  

Stagnation for ideas, challenges, innovations, a stagnation that ultimately leaves societies under a stable but uninnovative rule.

2019-09-17 20:27:45 UTC  

Countries that apply democracy experience stagnation less often and for shorter periods because they have a more solid foundation for investment

2019-09-17 20:28:19 UTC  

Countries that experience stagnation eventually turn into a shit.

2019-09-17 20:28:21 UTC  

For example, it's hard to properly invest in business in the middle east because shit goes bad all the time

2019-09-17 20:28:25 UTC  

It's a law of Nature.

2019-09-17 20:28:38 UTC  

You're not offering an argument for why stability causes stagnation

2019-09-17 20:30:32 UTC  

Im gonna have to agree with etbrood on this one

2019-09-17 20:33:45 UTC  

Because a stable society eventually turns into a stagnant one if you allow a particular group of people to dominate the politics.

2019-09-17 20:34:38 UTC  

this is how all the empires died-they let some sect o dynasty or something stamp all innovation and eventually weren't able to comply with their own rules that make them great.

2019-09-17 20:35:07 UTC  

Point is-stability is self-propelling, but when a system becomes too stable, it is no longer able to progress any more.

2019-09-17 20:35:34 UTC  

And there we get into ideas like the end of history and the death spiral for civilizations.

2019-09-17 20:35:49 UTC  

I've never heard of a country that was so ridiculously stable that it experienced stagnation

2019-09-17 20:36:06 UTC  

Can you name an example?

2019-09-17 20:36:15 UTC  

Thou, it's not actually a death spiral but rather the ideas of "eternal laws" or rules or constitution.

2019-09-17 20:36:40 UTC  

@ETBrooD Funny, almost all societies with long history are.

2019-09-17 20:36:47 UTC  

Especially the ancient ones.

2019-09-17 20:37:21 UTC  

Take ANY culture with millennia of history and you would see the pattern right there.

2019-09-17 20:37:28 UTC  

They had a period of boom.

2019-09-17 20:37:32 UTC  

What a great argument

2019-09-17 20:37:36 UTC  

Name a country and a period

2019-09-17 20:37:55 UTC  

They established a culture that was stable through tiem and then they got into a stagnation.

2019-09-17 20:38:02 UTC  

If there were so many you should be able to come up with one example

2019-09-17 20:38:04 UTC  

Classical example-Rome.

2019-09-17 20:38:24 UTC  

Rome wasn't stable lol

2019-09-17 20:38:32 UTC  

They had their boom-they managed to develop advanced social norms and technology for the time.

2019-09-17 20:39:01 UTC  

It paid out very well into the conquest of others and infrastructure no one could have matched at the time.

2019-09-17 20:39:15 UTC  

What time period during Ancient Rome are you talking about?