Of course I know that

In the same way now there are actually 2 classes of food-the organic/natural or whatever it is called and the others.

And when you go to the store you can see the difference.

In the price tag.

They don't really care about organic or whatever

They care about feel-good, whatever is the current trend

Well, make it like that-create the legislation for 2 kinds of grids just like we have 2 kinds of foods.

Most of these hispters never looked into true organic food

If they want to feel so good-well-make them PAY for it!

They wouldn't be able to tell the difference if you put it all in front of them

Out of their own pockets!

How?

I told you-create two grids-one running on coal and nuclear, the other-purely on renewables.

How?

I'm asking you not about the logistics but the socio-politics

And if they care so much for the environment-let them PAY for it!

We can actually do it-just propose legislation which can difffer the two.

How is that going to go through?

Just like we currently in the EU, don't know how it is in the US, have a legislation covering organics that is different than the one covering all other foods.

I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying

@ETBrooD Then, please, elaborate.

I'm not talking about the logistics, or the legislation itself

I'm talking about getting people to actually side with your ideas

How do you get them to agree?

By making them angry.

Meme the shit out of them.

What are you talking about?

Put it in the discourse and push that good fee-fees to the point of breaking.

Please be more specific

A real action plan, something concrete

Well, I mean if they are trolling us with their green bullshit, than we should troll them with telling them to PAY for it out of their own pockets, not ours.

Politics is not about trolling

When they propose a carbon tax, we propose different grid, so THEY can cover the expenses.

Who is they and who is us?

Who are these people that you're talking about?

When they feel right by abolishing GMOs or get into the farmers workings, we propose they pay for organics.

How can you not get it?

I get the feeling you're talking about some vague idea of 'them' that doesn't really exist except in your head

THEY have this us vs. them mentality.

For them we are all the enemies because we pollute and they feel righteous because they don't.

What *exactly* are you talking about? Discord?