as in a place like nazi germany

Politically motivated violence at that.

I don't want it to become a Starship Troopers discussion but that's the reality of it.

i mean, that is true, though i think that these things are roots in different ways

And violence is ultimately garnered by the people, not by the property owners.

in general there are acts of violence that are considered to be legitimate and those that aren't, and the legitimacy of violence is generally dictated by those who control resources, but of course it is possible that they can be overthrown if enough people see the violence they sanction as being illegitimate and use their own violence to overturn the system that upholds their rule

If you get the people to use this fundamental capability of theirs against the property owners they just can't compete.

in the long term it only matters insofar as one uses it to affect systemic change though

Now you are getting it @Death in June

if you leave the same power structure intact it will ultimately begin to act according to the same incentives it did before

If there is a large body of ARMED, and I stress the word, citizens out there who are ready to sanction anyone disregarding their values, no amount of property can save you.

As Mao said it:

Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

That is why the globalists are so afraid of the AR-15 bunch in the US.

the idea that control over resources is the primary determinant of political power isn't incompatible with the idea that a paradigm of control over resources can be overthrown through extralegal violence

Don't allow corruption to settle in your political institutions and no amount of wealth will be worth the risk of messing in state affairs.

"Don't allow corruption to settle in your political institutions"

It is actually what is going wrong with the West right now.

you may as well tell us to eat the sun

Too much hedonism.

Nope, actually there are many examples of societies in history which managed to get rid of corruption in one way or the other.

It just requires stronger values by the people.

what examples?

@Death in June Did Rome disappeared out of the map?

What about China? Or India? Or Russia? Or even the Maya, the Aztec and the Inca?

No, they didn't.

They had their heyday, than some nasty things happened to them, and then, they had to readjust and make do with whatever they had but on a smaller scale.

Societies can manage hedonism if they are ale to adjust themselves to the newer circumstances, it just will take them some efforts and real actual energy BY the people themselves FOR the people themselves to actually do it.

Currently may be the US is undergoing such a period with the rise of the New Right and the growing disgust with its leadership.

I really don't know how far would it get but the thing is the US can save themselves if they want to and in the process create an example for the whole world to follow.

Question is:

Would they?

we should support Assad and try to build a strong alliance between both the kurds and assad since only a dictator can run a country with Druze, muslims, christians etc living right next door to each other

i mean the whole idea of a democracy in the middle east is retarded never mind in a place like Syria

well syria is a "democracy"

it's just not liberal

though it took a step in that direction in 2011

with the referendum that lifted the party restrictions on legislative participation and made it so that the president was to be directly elected

rather than appointed by the legislature

but you still need a dictator like Assad in Syria when you havew druze, muslims, christians etc living right next to each other

I'm not sure you need a dictator