So when I provide an example of barbarity in one of those western countries you plug your ears and say "not relevant"

Weak sauce man

untrue, I made no reference to other countries. I refuted the claim that they were "primitive" for doing so, but thats it

and no, you have yet to justify bringing up an occurance of a forced abortion and proving its a result of central health insurance

It seems I got that part mixed up with someone else I apologize

Really tho?

"Outside moral outrage there is no actual defense of medicare for all."
It's cheaper for the average consumer. It also standardizes a level of care across the board.

yes, really

"Medicare for all" also includes regulation of big pharma

Though, that can be done without "Medicare for all"

The government forcing someone to have an abortion in a government run healthcare system isnt a result of that government run system?

Doesntmakesensetomebutokaybro

Weez by what metric are you determining it is cheaper?

what part of "option" is not getting through to you?

Fiscal cost per capita.

In your current system, larger groups get cheaper rates for insurance.

A country is THE largest group.

How do you square that with the previously mentioned cdc report?

Got a link for that?

5 trillion doesnt sound cheap to me

I'll have a read through it

Here's something for you to have a look at, while I read that report

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p0718-diabetes-report.html

100 million people with diabetes would cost another 1.5 trillion to treat

Regulate the drug companies, make the drug costs lower.

Easy.

Adding to our already 3.5 trillion spent on healthcare

Like the rest of the West does.

Stop allowing stupidly long patent durations for drugs.

Allow more drugs to be declared "generic"

Its also why we have more medical cures developed and a better cancer survival rate

These are policies which also go with "medicare for all"

Regulation and price control kill research and innovation

Sure, but you have millions unable to afford healthcare.

Millions buying drugs abroad.

And many abroad coming here for major operationd to avoid waiting

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0181970

Well, well, well.

Who could have guessed a profit orientated healthcare system could be bad.

we also have millions buying the latest iphone instead of saving for financial emergencies