Not exactly true. The large retail tobacco companies own a lot of the large retail vape brands. Smaller operators (in both markets) own most of the boutique brands.

https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/us-tobacco-market
https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/e-cigarette-vaping-market

https://gyazo.com/712834473a27d0ad6ecd900e38191f8d

You're looking at market share I was talking about market segment.

Oh it's almost as if your rebuttal had nothing to do with my argument

Or almost as though you did not even understand my position. Which is more likely.

Or you can't take the L and give up when you're wrong

It's not even like you disproved it. More like you supported it. Those categories in your last graph show a growth in the market segment where most producers are owned by the tobacco companies.

And my argument was cigs big vaping small

What part of my argument is wrong you dunce?

The false dichotomy made between that and "Le Eeebil big tobacco'. That growth in your chart of 'rechargeable' and 'disposable' devices? Those are the ones they sell in gas stations and 7-11s. Unlike the boutique brands many of those are owned by....... Big Tobacco.

Now the smaller boutique brands from vape shops are (much like boutique brand tobaccos) not owned by the same companies. Which is all I stated to begin with..

Doesn't make my argument wrong

So where's the rebuttal?

Well Ok if that series of posts was merely you demonstrating you stolid support for my position we have no disagreement. Is this the case?

You said "not exactly true"

I said cigs win cause big

Vaping not safe cause small

You have not rebutted that argument

Which is wrong because big cig and big vape are often enough the same companies.

That is not a rebuttal

No it is a mundane statement of reality which runs contrary to your narrative.

It does not

You are presenting as opposed sides entities that are **the same side**.

Wrong

To quote an obstinate opponent of mine;

*you can't take the L and give up when you're wrong*

You're wrong, and it's very obvious why you're wrong

I was talking about market share

The market share of cigs is massive

The market share of vapes is laughably small

Even big tobacco does not care if vape dies

No matter how much they hold

It's nothing, it's a blip

And you're arguing some bullshit

There is no "cigs" company. Now you're just hamster spinning....

Marlboro

Lucky Strike

Marlboro is not a company either.

It's a BRAND you dunce

I was not talking about COMPANIES

Fucking hell

This is just becoming pathetic....