Hmmm but there is a difference between providing services and taking over markets. Socialized medicine would be a market takeover. on the other hand, some people have private fire fighters and stuff but thats pretty extra.

I'm more of a Warren supporter, but I definitely wouldn't categorize Bernie Sanders as a skunk wearing perfume.

True, true, but I think we can all agree that the current healthcare system is too capitalistic. People often die from curable diseases under it, simply because medical treatment is too expensive.

There is a balance to be struck, but we cannot leave the American healthcare system as profit-over-care as it is. That's what I believe.

Warren's proposed foreign policy strategy is fucking inept, though.

If anyone who said this kept it to fire fighters and police I may have some faith in 'democratic socialism'. But we know from experience they just want more and more until it is everything. It's not a slippery slope 'fallacy' when Karl Marx is on top of a hill coated with KY holding a toboggan....

I highly doubt that things could _ever_ go that far, even if Warren or Bernie wanted it to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrEZw4nECRs

I have no doubt Bernie and Warren do want it. So lets nip it in the bud.

>Blame Iran for everything ever.
>"What's a South Korea?"
>unconditional aid to Israel.
>unconditional sanctions on venezuela.
>continue paternalism of Africa.

According to Council on Foreign Relations.

Trump 2020

I really love watching the CFR. Like if you wanted to see every clueless college kid grown up holding a convention about their dorm-room jam sessions it would be them.

maybe so, but this is more about Warren.

Warren is a faux progressive

^

As for Warren's strategy, I admit that they're not all deus ex machina-style solutions to the world's problems - she's only human - but they're damn good, for the most part. Furthermore, her transparency about her plans for everything alone is a pretty good sign, if you ask me. Many candidates in both parties don't have anything anywhere near as specific on their platform; their plans are much more reminiscent of vague promises by comparison.

Warren may be a little overly optimistic here and there, but she is always willing and prepared to explain exactly how she intends to accomplish everything on her agenda.

That earns my respect, at the very least.

So just ignoring the fact she intends to continue almost everything wrong with current US foreign policy.

Only Trump keeps his promises. I expect Warren to go hard corporatist if she wins.

I don't think so. I take the opposite tack. Waren is what she appears to be an upper-class WASP so removed from economics and life that she believes the theory crafting that occurs at Harvard. Which is to say she is a commie and has tried to 'make the message palatable' but now the gloves are off.

I mean the impeachment, the debates, basically I think the DNC knows they are losing. So they figure it's a 1-100 chance to win. Might as well shoot for everything you really want and ignore making yourself seem reasonable. At worst you lose which is the likely outcome anyway. If you win you can claim a mandate for your madness.

*Sigh* I'm a little too tired to respond to the claim made by Wizard, nor the base claim that Warren is a "commie." It feels a little pointless, and I've had a long day.

Nor will I engage the persistent and pathological obsession with viewing everyone with a (D) next to their name as Joseph Stalin's disciple.

except what the DNC really wants isn't that dissimilar from what the RNC wants, just for a different team

Eh, I could believe that last one.

There is corruption in both parties, without a doubt. But the extremes to which people take that... I just can't, y'know?

yeah good luck finding more than a handful of people on this server that don't see "muh left" as the root of all evil and also stubbed toes.

I know, right? Everyone seems to think that the mindset of the average twitter troll or petulant child who is too young to vote anyway is the mindset of everyone on the left, and that is simply untrue.

It is entirely reasonable. 20% of professors in Social Science are Marxists. In Harvard it is likely higher.

whether they genuinely believe that is neither here nor there, its just that they generalise most of the time.

We already know that Warren will lie, to the point of calling her own family racist, when she finds it expedient.

*Sigh* I don't really care what 20% of professors in a certain specific field think; they don't speak for me.

And I don't care to dignify that statement about Warren with a response.

I'm not speaking for you either. You made some aspersion on my estimation of Warren. I'm merely explaining why it is an entirely reasonable assumption on my part.

*sigh*

I don't think it is. You are making very grave assumptions about an entire political party, and to avoid vain arguments about the people's alignment let's assume roughly half of the United States

Or one third, accounting for independents.

Based on 20% of professors in one particular field. The evidence for which, I might add, I have yet to see and cannot evaluate.

this sounds like comminucation error. you both should clarify if you're talking about voter base or politicians and their platforms