Message from @Jokerfaic
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Neocons don't want democracies, they want banana republics
Its also how they can sing the praises of western democracy and still vote to pay out the ass to support an islamic hereditary theocraic-monarchy in the middle of a war of extermination
Well I am generally libertarian but that is a broad category. Foreign Policy was only *part* of the Neocon agenda though. I'd say that in the contemporary discourse 'Neocon' can merely be defined as "Republican I do not like." and has little resemblance to the Neocon movement.
Again *domestically* Tucker and most of the AR are Neocons.
I disagree, Tucker doesn't treat the free market like an unquestionable deity that must remain immaculate of human intervention
Neither did the Neocons...
I want you to explain that because I don’t know the Neocons positions on domestic policy, I just really hate them because of foreign policy. But if I were to guess would it be trickle down economics like Reagan wanted?
Reagan did not advocate 'Trickle down economics' in fact there is no such thing. It was a buzzword the press used to decry Reagan.
The Neocon position on economics is much like the PoMo or Tucker. That if you can dress up socialism in more acceptable language you can make it policy.
elimination of the estate tax, supporting the capital gains rate until Romney made that position untenable, and they certainly didn't make any moves to stop companies sending jobs away overseas.
I'm not dumb enough to try and pin shit like 'citizens-united' or NAFTA solely on neocons, or even republicans in general, but what fucking action have they taken against it prior to Trump?
I feel like you call anything that isn’t libertarian free market socialism
Well NAFTA and shitty trade deals was Obama
no, NAFTA specifically was Clinton
Again I cannot recommend highly enough *Leviathan on the Right* as a clear explanation of Neocon ideology in it's roots and implementation. It was printed a while ago and you can get a copy for 10$ or so on Amazon.
shit that came after it would certainly be in Obama's court
Ok
Fun fact Obama said we needed to re-negotiate NAFTA in the '08 primaries. Trump actually did it...
another fun fact, both Trump and Obama got barely anything done when they both had supermajorities in congress
See I did not like Trump in the elections. He talks weird and I figured the things we needed the most were the things he was least likely to do. As it turns out the opposite happened.
I cringe whenever someone tries to sell the "he's doing everything he promised in the campaign" because literally all video evidence shows he took both sides of every issue at one point or another
He played to win
And win he did
Ez
its the dumbest fucking thing to say, and shows someone who's a prime candidate for first genetically crossbred sheep-human
usually turns out to be a maga cultist, anyway
Well I like him, he’s doing great in Asia, pulled out of Syria, ended a lot of immigration and the economy is doing well
good things in asia, yeah
I quite like the wall design they went with
look, if it works, fine, I just really think it won't
Well I did not say that. I said that the things I wanted that he said were not going to happen. Instead the opposite happened.
I didn't imply you did, it just came to mind from the statement
Like the 2 for one? I thought that was total bullshit. Yet he did it.
The wall will work, the objective isn’t to make it impossible to cross over it just not worth it. “It’s more work than it’s worth”
I think that's what most people mean by 'he did what he said' anyways
Plus he got Mexico to protect their borders and play game
Cut a ton of legal immigration
You cannot overestimate the effects of deregulation.
Yeah he got us out of the Paris accords
That’s stupid bullshit
Just in the energy sector. Energy is a production cost in **everything**