Message from @Snake

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2019-10-15 00:46:22 UTC  

Again *domestically* Tucker and most of the AR are Neocons.

2019-10-15 00:47:16 UTC  

I disagree, Tucker doesn't treat the free market like an unquestionable deity that must remain immaculate of human intervention

2019-10-15 00:47:47 UTC  

Neither did the Neocons...

2019-10-15 00:47:48 UTC  

I want you to explain that because I don’t know the Neocons positions on domestic policy, I just really hate them because of foreign policy. But if I were to guess would it be trickle down economics like Reagan wanted?

2019-10-15 00:48:43 UTC  

Reagan did not advocate 'Trickle down economics' in fact there is no such thing. It was a buzzword the press used to decry Reagan.

2019-10-15 00:49:49 UTC  

The Neocon position on economics is much like the PoMo or Tucker. That if you can dress up socialism in more acceptable language you can make it policy.

2019-10-15 00:50:06 UTC  

elimination of the estate tax, supporting the capital gains rate until Romney made that position untenable, and they certainly didn't make any moves to stop companies sending jobs away overseas.

2019-10-15 00:51:40 UTC  

I'm not dumb enough to try and pin shit like 'citizens-united' or NAFTA solely on neocons, or even republicans in general, but what fucking action have they taken against it prior to Trump?

2019-10-15 00:51:40 UTC  

I feel like you call anything that isn’t libertarian free market socialism

2019-10-15 00:52:27 UTC  

Well NAFTA and shitty trade deals was Obama

2019-10-15 00:52:45 UTC  

no, NAFTA specifically was Clinton

2019-10-15 00:52:53 UTC  

Again I cannot recommend highly enough *Leviathan on the Right* as a clear explanation of Neocon ideology in it's roots and implementation. It was printed a while ago and you can get a copy for 10$ or so on Amazon.

2019-10-15 00:53:04 UTC  

shit that came after it would certainly be in Obama's court

2019-10-15 00:53:15 UTC  

Ok

2019-10-15 00:53:55 UTC  

Fun fact Obama said we needed to re-negotiate NAFTA in the '08 primaries. Trump actually did it...

2019-10-15 00:54:57 UTC  

another fun fact, both Trump and Obama got barely anything done when they both had supermajorities in congress

2019-10-15 00:56:20 UTC  

See I did not like Trump in the elections. He talks weird and I figured the things we needed the most were the things he was least likely to do. As it turns out the opposite happened.

2019-10-15 00:57:24 UTC  

I cringe whenever someone tries to sell the "he's doing everything he promised in the campaign" because literally all video evidence shows he took both sides of every issue at one point or another

2019-10-15 00:57:43 UTC  

He played to win

2019-10-15 00:57:46 UTC  

And win he did

2019-10-15 00:57:52 UTC  

Ez

2019-10-15 00:58:03 UTC  

its the dumbest fucking thing to say, and shows someone who's a prime candidate for first genetically crossbred sheep-human

2019-10-15 00:58:31 UTC  

usually turns out to be a maga cultist, anyway

2019-10-15 00:58:38 UTC  

Well I like him, he’s doing great in Asia, pulled out of Syria, ended a lot of immigration and the economy is doing well

2019-10-15 00:58:55 UTC  

good things in asia, yeah

2019-10-15 00:59:08 UTC  

I quite like the wall design they went with

2019-10-15 00:59:22 UTC  

look, if it works, fine, I just really think it won't

2019-10-15 00:59:40 UTC  

Well I did not say that. I said that the things I wanted that he said were not going to happen. Instead the opposite happened.

2019-10-15 01:00:15 UTC  

I didn't imply you did, it just came to mind from the statement

2019-10-15 01:00:20 UTC  

Like the 2 for one? I thought that was total bullshit. Yet he did it.

2019-10-15 01:00:23 UTC  

The wall will work, the objective isn’t to make it impossible to cross over it just not worth it. “It’s more work than it’s worth”

2019-10-15 01:00:36 UTC  

I think that's what most people mean by 'he did what he said' anyways

2019-10-15 01:01:02 UTC  

Plus he got Mexico to protect their borders and play game

2019-10-15 01:01:08 UTC  

Cut a ton of legal immigration

2019-10-15 01:01:08 UTC  

You cannot overestimate the effects of deregulation.

2019-10-15 01:01:27 UTC  

Yeah he got us out of the Paris accords

2019-10-15 01:01:37 UTC  

That’s stupid bullshit

2019-10-15 01:01:44 UTC  

Just in the energy sector. Energy is a production cost in **everything**

2019-10-15 01:01:59 UTC  

Yep

2019-10-15 01:02:15 UTC  

I don’t much care for him sucking up to Israel, I’m not a big fan of them

2019-10-15 01:02:29 UTC  

except its a meaningless statement, because going by the whole of his rhetoric, he could have done literally anything