Message from @Benjamin Henry
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IQ tests are easily game-able
Asks for evidence... then when given it... You decide its trash evidence... basically... not good enough for whatever reason.
I told you exactly why it's not good evidence
It's actually the exact same argument against state standardized tests, like the ones I took back at home in Pennsylvania
So students are taught to a particular test, rote memorization, instead of actual learning
If kids are taught specifically to take an IQ test, obviously they're going to do better
Which means that the test itself isn't that valuable a measuring tool
you can't apply rote memorization to an iq test
That's an example
You can be taught how to be good at taking IQ tests, too
Id say that you certainly have failed to demonstrate that culture is separate from race. And that Death in June has used evidence to demonstrate that failure. Also taking IQ tests regularly is not apart of any schools regimen... once again the amount of people that are doing what you suggest is not statistically significant
@UnScottable I don't know what you read back there, but culture is actually significantly different from race
if all you're pointing out is that they're test specific skills associated with iq tests this doesn't really change the fact that in order to solve the problems you still have to be able to apply abstract reasoning to find the patterns present
We were looking at two narrow measures - crime and IQ
you can become better by being more familiar with the kind of puzzle you are facing, but the core skills are still there
Maybe
and in any case with the samples we are using test familiarity is going to be very uniform across the test group
I don't know how you can think that
People are different from each other
yes
but as far as i'm aware the vast majority of people who take iq tests do not prepare specifically for them or have taken them prior at appreciably different rates
They have very different priorities
I'm just pointing out how vague and not useful it is to single out IQ test scores
it's one of the main measurable differences between the groups we were talking about
Yeah, but it clearly has no effect on crime rates, according to the chart you put up there
wat
And if race = culture, then you'd probably have seen a correlation
But it isn't there
i never posted a chart that included the variables of iq and crime
Did you read the same chart we read?
Yeah, you posted a chart that showed the factors that affect crime
And IQ wasn't on there
yes
If IQ is a significant difference between races
Then it would likely be on the chart as well
what do you mean
Since race IS on there, the other things that "go with race" would ostensibly be on the chart as well
in a sense
look... the fact that in america around 7% of the population commit 50% of the rapes... has nothing to do with socioeconomic status
@UnScottable Get fucked, dude