I think it's quite relevant

Since the taking of tests in general is a skill you can improve

no because the overwhelming majority of people who comprise the iq statistics we have do not do this

Yea IQ has been proven to be a pretty reliable measure.... certainly reliable enough to not just throw it out. I doubt the people in these studies are avid IQ test takers lol

The percentage of them that are taking the test over and over again as you suggest... is not enough to be statistically significant

IQ tests are easily game-able

Asks for evidence... then when given it... You decide its trash evidence... basically... not good enough for whatever reason.

I told you exactly why it's not good evidence

It's actually the exact same argument against state standardized tests, like the ones I took back at home in Pennsylvania

So students are taught to a particular test, rote memorization, instead of actual learning

If kids are taught specifically to take an IQ test, obviously they're going to do better

Which means that the test itself isn't that valuable a measuring tool

you can't apply rote memorization to an iq test

That's an example

You can be taught how to be good at taking IQ tests, too

Id say that you certainly have failed to demonstrate that culture is separate from race. And that Death in June has used evidence to demonstrate that failure. Also taking IQ tests regularly is not apart of any schools regimen... once again the amount of people that are doing what you suggest is not statistically significant

@UnScottable I don't know what you read back there, but culture is actually significantly different from race

if all you're pointing out is that they're test specific skills associated with iq tests this doesn't really change the fact that in order to solve the problems you still have to be able to apply abstract reasoning to find the patterns present

We were looking at two narrow measures - crime and IQ

you can become better by being more familiar with the kind of puzzle you are facing, but the core skills are still there

Maybe

and in any case with the samples we are using test familiarity is going to be very uniform across the test group

I don't know how you can think that

People are different from each other

yes

Kids put very different levels of effort into different things

but as far as i'm aware the vast majority of people who take iq tests do not prepare specifically for them or have taken them prior at appreciably different rates

They have very different priorities

I'm just pointing out how vague and not useful it is to single out IQ test scores

it's one of the main measurable differences between the groups we were talking about

Yeah, but it clearly has no effect on crime rates, according to the chart you put up there

wat

And if race = culture, then you'd probably have seen a correlation

But it isn't there

i never posted a chart that included the variables of iq and crime

Did you read the same chart we read?

Yeah, you posted a chart that showed the factors that affect crime

And IQ wasn't on there

yes

If IQ is a significant difference between races

Then it would likely be on the chart as well