and also are more suceptible to mental health issues

Now non front line?

Absolutely fine

But as soon as you put women in front line roles en-mass

you take away container space for critical supplies

It will indirectly kill people

Even if that women is a fucking olympic decathlon weightlifter

and is unfuckable

@4SidedTriangle I wouldn't want women to be in the army, simply because of what it entails. But i cannot refuse the freedom of the individual. If the individual women is just as capable as their male counterparts, then i see no reason for why they shouldn't be allowed. This would also go for everything about them. Including physicality and mentality

It's quite funny, those that are calling for more women in front-line combat will be the FIRST to say they need to be removed once a few are captured, raped, tortured, killed and then displayed to the world.

@Joshu bad enough PMS could lead to it being directly when you have an SA80 with you.

I guarentee it.

Mavalance

read what i just said

About Logistics

"But i cannot refuse the freedom of the individual" You can when it harms those around them, degrating combat effectiveness and putting lives at risk @Mavalance

Not enough people think about that

I don't care about your "freedom" then

Or when you're in the military.

The military isn't a place for freedom or flexability.

Those undermine the key principles OF the military.

And will get people killed.

Equality of opportunity. unfortunately women arnt biologically suited to front line service.

@Mavalance I see your argument as I am quite libertarian minded however here we have the rights of the individual conflicting with the responsibility of the government to protect the people as a whole and I am coming down on the governments side of the issue. It's simply that I am being a pragmatist and looking at what is best as a whole for society rather than the choice of the woman in question, the stakes are simply to big.

@Nathan James 123 I whole heartedly understand your argument here. Which is why i do believe that it is not just that women be given an easier way into the military when they are not just as suited for it (as a whole).

There's also the arguments which Joshu has made as to why they shouldn't be in front-line service and to an extent any kind of military service.

@Mavalance Also from what you said to Nathan you are looking at this from a purely mechanical point of view. Even a woman who is for the sake of argument identical to the average male recruit physically still wouldn't be as well suited since they don't have the psychology for it. Women are more prone to sympathy and caring as well as being more susceptible to psychological trauma.

Dont forget the logistics

There's also the argument of unit cohesion, which we haven't even touched

So many reasons

It's honestly the strongest arguement

A woman joining an eviroment dramatically changes that dynamic

It;s the arguement that for the most part isnt counterable with "But not all women"

Front-line relationships undermine combat effectiveness and risk lives

Front-line pregnancies reduce combat effectiveness and costs lives

You're also going to have different equipment requirements

Which is a logistics thing again

Women *mostly* won't be able to physically carry all the weight required

To an extent @Joshu

Women do in fact need different plate carriers

They have tits