I'm far less concerned with actual left wing economic policy (think scandiv) then ideological hegemony and their control over the Overton window which is what I think is causing all the problems and what leads to the collapse

But suffice to say, you CAN have an entire population housed, fed and mostly in good health.

hhaha... theres no clip but I found it in this video timecoded... https://youtu.be/fXqewNoFRVg?t=4785

and still have a thriving economy with a high GDP

You can and everything works in balance

The states could stand to learn a lot more lessons before even arguing for healthcare for all, including illegals, that's just getting retarded now.

I'm viscerally disgusted that the American left wants to turn America into Europe

They are first world nations just fucking move there

Keeping people in desperate poverty so they'll join your war machine is shady as fuck, imo.

Can't one nation in the globe have guns ffs

My bud joined the navy to get his fucking teeth fixed lol

I guess he won out by finding his Pilipino wife, eh..win?

I don't think anyone disagrees that the US medical system has problems

I'm pro socialised healthcare but I'm convinced it can't be run by leftists which is as autistic a position as it sounds

right

I've heard no arguments from the left to convince me they should be in charge of running a socialized healthcare system.

Who naturally wants to and naturally falls into place of being in charge of something like that

Same thing happens with Unions

The socialized healthcare here is run by right-wing, and it works pretty fucking good.

Socialised healthcare is the best way forwards, the problem is leaving it with a left wing govt or a right wing govt

Both would do it wrong

It wouldn't be a problem if the predominant strain of leftism wasn't a negative expression of the same psychological drive

Yeah your right, a right wing gov wouldn't maintain it right either

The left would throw money at it with no regard and offer it to everyone, the right would offer it begrudgingly and with the mind of privatisation and the "free market" (An American libertarian view as well and why me and them argue frequently)

Need big brain centrists The left would over bloat it to be as expansive as possible

If you got Brit Liberts deciding it might work, if you get American ones it will fail- because they believe freemarket deciding is more important than civil rights 🤔

We force our insurance companies to compete brutally by mandating health insurance.

Your mum smells bad!

Mandatory health insurance needs to go as well tbh

That is definitely predatory in nature

not with proper oversight

Idk from the sounds Obamacare/ACA pretty much failed

there are few cases of abuse

because American insurance companies are too intrenched

IT gave a chunk of people an additional bill and the ones at the bottom who could not afford it still could not afford it so it didn't really work and it wasn't even a step in the right direction

Yep because it was mandatory and you had to be covered for all kinds of weird shit you don't fucking need

You guys take the cock of lobbyist up your ass daily.

Stop that shit, and it should get better

What America needs to do is take a few hospitals, nationalise them, and see if it is viable, and that would also build an evidence for them to have an NHS of sorts, maybe not at federal level bt definitely at state level

mandatory/single payer can work, but US healthcare is all kinds of fucked, which switching to mandatory/single payer would probably not fix anyway

Build new ones don't nationalise a pre-existing one, buy them out or buy vacant ones