Message from @Borzo

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2019-04-09 11:46:48 UTC  

France was basically forced into NATO

2019-04-09 11:46:52 UTC  

"Join or die"

2019-04-09 11:47:06 UTC  

But they left, so how do you explain that?

2019-04-09 11:47:32 UTC  

France is still in NATO, what are you talking about

2019-04-09 11:48:07 UTC  

France left NATO, during the Cold War, and then rejoined after it ended

2019-04-09 11:48:33 UTC  

Because of the Gaullists and socialist party?

2019-04-09 11:49:00 UTC  

Any and all uprisings that occurred even outside of NATO, in Western Europe were crushed by it

2019-04-09 11:49:14 UTC  

Take COINTELPRO for example

2019-04-09 11:50:19 UTC  

The French government may have been away from NATO, but its implications and debt to it were immense

2019-04-09 11:51:01 UTC  

But by leaving NATO they showed their own independence

2019-04-09 11:51:14 UTC  

They weren’t a puppet of USA anymore

2019-04-09 11:51:16 UTC  

Were they really independent though

2019-04-09 11:51:20 UTC  

Unlike Poland

2019-04-09 11:51:28 UTC  

Austria isn't in NATO, yet it's still a puppet

2019-04-09 11:51:59 UTC  

Who was its owner then?

2019-04-09 11:52:09 UTC  

Mostly America

2019-04-09 11:52:31 UTC  

Obviously not the Soviets, because they would have been FORCED to join the Warsaw Pact

2019-04-09 11:53:01 UTC  

Warsaw governments agreed to join Warsaw Pact

2019-04-09 11:53:16 UTC  

“Agreed”

2019-04-09 11:53:20 UTC  

And Warsaw Pact was a reaction to the western aggressiveness

2019-04-09 11:53:25 UTC  

In NATO

2019-04-09 11:53:59 UTC  

Stalin actually applied to join NATO, but when rejected, it was clear it was an act of aggression towards the Soviet Union

2019-04-09 11:54:01 UTC  

Poland was a puppet state. Are you denying that?

2019-04-09 11:54:33 UTC  

If The Soviet Union joined NATO, then that would defeat the whole purpose wouldn’t it?

2019-04-09 11:54:36 UTC  

Poland has almost always been a puppet state ever since its collapse of the empire

2019-04-09 11:54:55 UTC  

Occupied by mostly Germany and Russia

2019-04-09 11:55:11 UTC  

Then got a bit of independence, with an extremely reactionary government in WW2

2019-04-09 11:55:15 UTC  

But you can’t say that they agreed to anything it they were coerced.

2019-04-09 11:55:26 UTC  

*if

2019-04-09 11:55:29 UTC  

The government agreed to it

2019-04-09 11:55:50 UTC  

Italy however, was forced into NATO

2019-04-09 11:55:58 UTC  

It was a puppet government installed by Stalin, of course they were going to agree with it!

2019-04-09 11:56:26 UTC  

Otherwise tanks would be rolled into Warsaw

2019-04-09 11:56:50 UTC  

And then Stalin would get the response he wanted

2019-04-09 11:57:15 UTC  

Stalin never sent tanks into Warsaw apart from getting the nazis out of it

2019-04-09 11:57:34 UTC  

Apart from the remaining fascists in Poland, people were happy under stalin in Poland

2019-04-09 11:57:51 UTC  

And late I might add, so that resistance fighters would be mostly killed off.

2019-04-09 11:57:54 UTC  

Khrushchev I will not defend, however

2019-04-09 11:58:11 UTC  

In the Warsaw uprising

2019-04-09 11:58:46 UTC  
2019-04-09 11:58:46 UTC  

“People were happy in Poland under Stalin”