Message from @Blebleh
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But it doesn't make a socialist country imperialist
Imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism
the policies from the party pulled monopolist capitalism
it doesn't matter if they had good heart... imperialism depends on the economy
@Blebleh Imperialism is subjective on top of economical basis. Economy and subjective force maybe different at the same time.
Hoxha also denounced the cubans
and also the maoists after a period of time
Communist subjectively can't be imperialist
Even some revisionists, like Brezhnev
I didn't understand the penultimate phrase
Imperialism is not purely economical
It requires people to force it upon others
If there is no such people than it is not imperialism.
It is forced with the state
DEATH TO THE LEFT
imperialism isn't a program alone as let's invade countries
it emerges from the conditions of capitalism, it requires a monopolist capitalism which was restored with Khruschev, and therefore he had to obey that kind of economy
like reforming capitalism in social democracy, it's limited
@Blebleh I disagree on this. USSR has been most socialist country in the world.
Even after Stalin.
I could agree
but most socialism now is welfare state
still capitalism
even some people criticize stalin as capitalist
because he couldn't remove the capitalist relations of production (for this we would need world socialism)
but if there's no bourgeoisie... it seems leftcom to me
So my point is Idiots are not necessarily imperialist.
A country being imperialist or not doesn't depend on idiocy or intentions
You could say that the party restored capitalism with good heart
and call them idiots
but still imperialism
Subjectivity is important. There is no subjectively imperialist = there is no imperialism.
China and Russia today can defend Syria
but it's still an imperialist bloc, just one with interests against the national bourgeoisie of the US and Europe
yes, so I say, every try to help other nations is for the national bourgeoisie not for socialism
it obeys the logic of capital not proletarian internationalism