Message from @Blebleh

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2017-05-21 23:35:13 UTC  

yes, but who will point it out and who will listen?

2017-05-21 23:36:03 UTC  

The authority will point it out with intellectual reasoning. And if they are corrupt, then the contradictions can be easily pointed out.

2017-05-21 23:36:23 UTC  

the authority is the corruptible one

2017-05-21 23:36:31 UTC  

the contradictions aren't so easiliy pointed out

2017-05-21 23:36:35 UTC  

see Khruschev

2017-05-21 23:36:49 UTC  

there can be protestors but the people when they don't know the problems could ignore it

2017-05-21 23:36:50 UTC  

and let them pass

2017-05-21 23:36:51 UTC  

The majority is incorruptible?

2017-05-21 23:37:33 UTC  

the people has to decide the fate

2017-05-21 23:37:42 UTC  

they're not the ones who can be corrupted

2017-05-21 23:38:01 UTC  

If an authority works against the interests of the collective, objectively, then there may be grounds for new revolution, because they have become the new bourgeoisie.

2017-05-21 23:38:17 UTC  

It is inevitable.

2017-05-21 23:38:34 UTC  

people don't notice it when they don't know about it

2017-05-21 23:38:45 UTC  

this is happening in every country now

2017-05-21 23:39:06 UTC  

and I don't see how the USSR prevented this; a few people may realize it

2017-05-21 23:39:30 UTC  

What are you talking about? Don't you agree that socialism is inevitable?

2017-05-21 23:39:48 UTC  

yes but it needs class consciousness

2017-05-21 23:39:57 UTC  

and organization

2017-05-21 23:40:25 UTC  

even more, we need to be careful when we have a capitalist bloc that is our enemy

2017-05-21 23:40:29 UTC  

So how is it going to happen do you think? There are going to be revolutionary forces. Which is also why there should be a Vanguard.

2017-05-21 23:41:36 UTC  

the platform in combination with the anarchist unions have to improve the consciousness of the people and act

2017-05-21 23:41:45 UTC  

When a socialist authority gets corrupt, it becomes bourgeoisie. And a new dialectic begins.

2017-05-21 23:41:56 UTC  

we could add a party too, but as an extension

2017-05-21 23:43:05 UTC  

they don't have to become the bourgeoisie to be corrupt

2017-05-21 23:43:08 UTC  

@Blebleh What have anarchists unions achieved? They are hamstrung by their superstitious notions of 'consensus' and 'democracy'.

2017-05-21 23:43:25 UTC  

it could be just undermining the socialist roots or not making the decisions agreed by the people

2017-05-21 23:43:49 UTC  

they've achieved 8 labour hours in Spain

2017-05-21 23:43:52 UTC  

with a general strike

2017-05-21 23:44:12 UTC  

the IWW while not pure anarchist, the organization I think it's and it's big

2017-05-21 23:44:32 UTC  

this is all to improve conditions for the worker and also get a consciousness for the revolution

2017-05-21 23:45:17 UTC  

and as I said, in the USSR before the party, there were councils

2017-05-21 23:45:23 UTC  

@Blebleh A dictatorship of the proletariat that betrays the interests of the collective is a contradiction. Either the Party is objectively proletariat or they are revisionist traitors. Class consciousness will win in the end.

2017-05-21 23:45:24 UTC  

it looked more like an anarchist federation

2017-05-21 23:46:21 UTC  

a prole can be traitor to his class

2017-05-21 23:46:41 UTC  

@Blebleh In there beginning there were councils, but this was abandoned because it was childish and ineffectual for revolutionary purposes.

2017-05-21 23:46:53 UTC  

what lenin says

2017-05-21 23:47:05 UTC  

Lenin was wrong?

2017-05-21 23:47:21 UTC  

probably in this

2017-05-21 23:48:25 UTC  

A prole who is a traitor is not a prole, but an agent of the bourgeoisie.

2017-05-21 23:49:26 UTC  

@Blebleh Councils are limited to reformism. Revolution is exclusively the business of the Vanguard.

2017-05-21 23:49:30 UTC  

a prole can be an agent of the bourgeoisie, declasé