Stalin was particularly critical of it

they lacked the patience

@OF-8 "the system i have works, provably works" You mean financially through mechanisms of exploitation.
It would be a deadlock if you had a rational framework for your assertion, but you only have opinion and what looks like contradiction. But I would not expect much else from an idealist. Good chat.

@Sorghagtani Beki Trotskie was an outcast long before he was kicked out. Small percent of Party backed him up.

we should examine why Stalin was supported

and in my belief it is because, like many other communist leaders, he wanted to rush socialism

@Sorghagtani Beki Because of the program.

He made a plan.

For all.

his plan cost too many lives

@Sorghagtani Beki lives do not matter.

let me ask you, if lenin had been alive and in power, would they have been lost?

and perhaps, in your opinion, may the soviet union still exist?

@Sorghagtani Beki We do not know. It is history.

Lenin understood that there had to be temporary compromise with capitalism

and he cannot be called a capitalist pig after all he had done

others were too impatient

examine the costs of their impatience

@Sorghagtani Beki no compromise is necessary.

It is if you want to minimize collateral damage

@Sorghagtani Beki you don't.

then this is a disagreement based on ethics

I, for one, do not support experimentation on my fellow countrymen

@Sorghagtani Beki ethics are a delusion.

and each of their lives is important

Morals are idealist.

We are materialist.

they are not mutually exclusive

@Sorghagtani Beki there is no need in morals. Morality is an illusion.

Creation of the schizophrenic Jewish mind.

Of old.

usually this is said on the basis that you would not be apart of the collateral damage

opinions would quickly change, otherwise

since when was the left selfish?

@Sorghagtani Beki we have our own communist morality. Based on the good of the revolution and evolution.

Morality based on material ground.

on the condition that you are not at the other end of the gun barrel?

If it is profitable to proletariat it shall be implemented.

if you want the proletariat to have better lives, then you should seek to minimize casualties so that more can enjoy those better lives

@Sorghagtani Beki there was like 2% of proletariat in Russia and after Stalin 99%

Interest of proletariat. Expansion of proletariat. Rule of proletariat. Liberation of proletariat in other countries.