@not_matt it's just more profitable that way

obama flipped from hope and change progressive to standard neolib as soon as he got in

There is no way to rescue the democracy system.

that's the goal of all capitalists

maximizing profit at the cost of everything else

@Deleted User im pretty sure we've disagreed about this before, but i think the problem is parliamentary democracy not democracy itself

you need democracy in order to respect the autonomy of individuals if their interest overlaps in a society

@not_matt Even in Ancient Athens, the slaves could not vote. Democracy depends on have a competent electorate.

so let people control themselves on an intimate level

control one's own workplace. own neighborhood. own town. etc

@not_matt I just don't think the average person is ready for that. Not without class consciousness and theoretical education.

true

that's why we need to win comrade

and quickly

we're losing earth in like 50 years, tops

I think our goal is the same though. An enlightened populace fully controlling its destiny.

Was it that hard to see that Trump wasn't what he said he'd be?

Depends which angle you want to approach it.

Politics in the modern day is a circus

its a sport. its entertainment tv

Most of the big first world nations are now reenacting the Weimar/Austro-Hungary

@Deleted User I made a bet with myself that if Trump turned into a shame, I would reassess my world view regarding the political system. It was hard. Most people never question their fundamental assumptions about the world like that.

we elected a reality tv star in the most important executive position in the world ffs

ugh i have work tomorrow morning

I think, accelerate the collapse, have a revolution with an educated Vanguard, create structures for mass education, and then go from there. Instead of the reverse of creating a new democratic and hoping for the best. You need to stop the old ways from returning.

acceleration just further entrenches capitalist hegemony imo

like, there's a reason the capitalist ideology is so pervasive rn

these fucks are GOOD at what they do

Well, I kind of think it is apart of the dialectic. Instead of bailing out the banks, for example, let society be enriched by the reality of capitalism.

>muh capitalism
This stage of capitalism is cancer and industrialists need a good old purge I agree; do not blame the problems on simple labels and apply the labels wherever

This is the rut I see most of the people on the communist spectrum landing in

Always

what do you mean rut

There is too much capital and too little good investments. Finance is all speculative. Too greedy. The tipping point is close. In Europe especially.

A place you get stuck in

we oppose capitalism lol

thats our thing

I oppose capitalism as well, not in the same way you do

well if we both oppose capitalism we comrades

like it or not 😉

unless ur fash kek