First we need the onse who do not follow.

It is hard to get them by convincing. Requires book writing and such.

It is easier to convince when you play for keeps, not chatter on the internet with no skin in the game. I will focus on myself.

I think it is much harder to build the core of a Party than to do mass propaganda.

Masses will follow. If there is someone to

It is in the nature of the masses

To follow

I think you are right. I still have lots of reading to do. Are you interest in trying to build the core of a Party?

That is what Proriv journal does. I'm not sure where is equivalent in the West. Maybe American Labour Party. But they are American and disorganized. Every western organization I've seen so far is against discipline and is very sectarian/individualistic.

CPGB (ML) maybe a good starting point

But I'm in the states.

I think it is best to start a new organization really.

In the west

I have been watched videos produced by CPGB ML. It has good information but they have a strong focus on recruiting more members. In my country there is no good ML groups either.

Where is it?

What country?

@Deleted User I think CPGB ML passed through many shifts. I think it was twice they purged many and re-established pure ideology. If they target more people right now it might be OK for them.

In Australia.

@Deleted User Very unlucky.

Move to Europe, USA.

For politics.

It would be a shame such intelligence rot in Australia.

I would not rule it out. After I finished reading Fundamentals I will decide if I will be a Marxist or not.

It is not a decision.

If you decide on it you are not Marxist from the beginning. It is a process of arrival to conclusions.

I had a hard time becoming Marxist because of idealist concept. It was very hard to break it.

I made no such decision before I even started. I wait for more information to see if the theory is reasonable enough to take further. I need to make a decision at some point. I think I will know after I have read all the basics.

decision on what? It does not require a decision. I didn't decide to become Marxist.

I was hardcore idealist.

My difficulties are also idealist. Absolute, dogmatic and mystical thinking, as a response to stress. I guess the illusion of a decision is also idealism, but letting go of it.

And the consequences of idealism hit me so hard I'm still not fully recovered.

So it is not a decision. If it for me to decide I would stay idealist.

I say try your idealism hard to shatter it.

That seems radical, but interesting.

It worked for me.

Not without breaking bones.

But it worked.

Better option is reading books.

My dirty secret is that I have a soft spot for Islam.

@Deleted User Islam is a great way to control masses indeed.

What consequences of hardcore idealism did you find?