Message from @Blebleh
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That would be a state
@Blebleh Anarchists use violence the very same way. Only without authority.
the state means monopoly of violence, anarchists reject it Arkras, not a centralized authority
they believe in self-management, freedom of association
and an union (confederation) to manage affairs with delegates when they need to unite
like diplomatic affairs
these delegates are recallable, maybe rotative and emerged from the assemblies of the bottom
yes
@Blebleh violence of the anarchists is not different or any better than the violence of any other sort.
so the difference with leninists is that they put an emphasis on horizontal organization, all the laws emerge from the bottom so they don't rely on a party of a few
but the problem is that the masses retain bourgeois ideology and educating them on the vanguard is utopic as I consider
Violence of the anarchists like attacking the fascist trashcans, lol antifa
so I'd do it after a generation
Yes that's more like it @Blebleh, but why not a tax system which will destribute wealth between communes?
Trotskyists believe in permanent revolution
And they use a party
@Arkras Why are you going to tax and what are you going to distribute?; maybe federations can enter in a common agreement on public services
Because they can be better at business.
Or be more lucky
@Arkras There's no exploitation like in capitalism, what you earn is worth it, redistribution loses its sense
Business would be only for mutualists
@Blebleh Similar in a sense of the need to separate from the authority of the leaders.
@Blebleh No I mean in trade, because there is still gonna be trade, just not on the same level we see today.
In the organizational sense.
@Heiro I don't think so, who went against the black army was trotsky
Nomade people without a commune are gonna be merchants, and live of the trade.
@Arkras I doubt there would be trade in libertarian socialism or libertarian communism; if something only between the federations
@Blebleh He was propagating disconnection from the party leadership just like anarchists/syndicalists.
Divide and conquer tactics.
@Heiro Yes but because he didn't like the brand of marxism-leninism of the party, not because he was an anarchist
he wanted to replace the content with his content, not remove it all
We need strong leaders on the left.
That's the proplem federations are weak. If people want coffee in a Anarchist society in England, it is gonna be a luxury, because it would go from hand to hand many times. You can't stop trade if you, do not have authority, and thereby people are gonna buy expensive coffee.