@The Special Cnut hey

@temporary warp welcome.

@Arkras "Moderate". You are communist. But ***ashamed*** of it?

@Arkras Most will agree we won't see communism in our lifetime. So everyone agrees on the state, yes?

@Arkras They are pretty much being useless anyway. It is impossible to get rid of the state at this stage or any time soon. It can be a socialist state or oligarchy. Our choice.

@Blebleh Makhno was so far the most successful anarchist. But he listened to Lenin and assisted him. Not sure why Western anarchists can't into cooperation.

@Arkras That is misconception, brother. Some anarchists are able into organization.

@Blebleh we have to add that only small amount of anarchists are able into organization of infrastructure.

But the same goes with communists this days.

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@Blebleh Bakunin thought is different from 15 yo random anarchist thought.

@Blebleh Anarchists use violence the very same way. Only without authority.

@Blebleh Anarchists reject monopoly but not violence.

@Blebleh violence of the anarchists is not different or any better than the violence of any other sort.

@Blebleh sounds more like trotkiesm to me

@Blebleh It is different, yes. But Similar.

@Blebleh Similar in a sense of the need to separate from the authority of the leaders.

In the organizational sense.

@Blebleh He was propagating disconnection from the party leadership just like anarchists/syndicalists.

Divide and conquer tactics.

@Blebleh His content is to not follow the leadership of the party.

We need strong leaders on the left.

@Blebleh MLs propagate a need to follow the leadership. Anarchits, Syndicalists, Trotskiest do not follow leaders and do not know the beauty of the authoritarian organization. Trotskie propagated the need to follow him only, not the organization leadership.

@Blebleh Faith is necessary in the organization.

@Lune Not all MLs are democratic.

@Blebleh how do you follow leaders without a faith in them?

@Blebleh it is nothing to do with organization.

@Blebleh Lenin wrote only active parts of organizations are considered communist.

@Blebleh I'm losing contact here.

@Blebleh who used soviets? Soviets supported the leadership of the communist. Before that Soviets opposed Bolsheviks.

@Blebleh bottom organization that opposes them?

@Blebleh Soviets opposed many. They were part of the liberal socdem current before joining Bolsheviks.

And while Soviets been liberal they opposed communist.

I have 20cm

The point is to stop being liberal and support communists. Soviets gained a lot from joining communist leadership.

@Blebleh I'm in favor of all this things.