Message from @Mros
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its like that tengri thingy
There is still one last problem, unfortunately. http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/faith-vs-reason-debate-2.jpg
It specifically mentions grace, *"Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life" (CCC 1996)*
People born in certain geographies have a greater likelihood to be brainwashed by other faiths.
No, it is not like Tengri thing. It has specific requirements.
Does God account for this?
People brainwashed?
They need to be able to overcome this
and accept the true faith.
Yes, God accounts for all conditions. *"The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God; and God never ceases to draw man to himself. Only in God will he find the truth and happiness he never stops searching for" (CCC 27).*
But clearly if you look at it statistically it would be worse for someone to be born in Saudi Arabia than the Vatican.
Would it be fair to judge them both on acceptance of the Gospel?
Hmm, I'll leave that to Mros.
It is fair to judge them if they have the truth before them and reject it.
But clearly if you look at it statistically it would be much worse to be born in Saudi Arabia
As in highly likely that the man born in Arabia never accepts the Gospel compared to the Vatican
It is still fair
I assume God would make an exception for this?
It depends, do they know about Christianity? If so then yes it's fiar.
Eh, well
What if they never truly explore Christianity because they have been raised to reject it in favor of another religion?
wouldn't it also depend on their level of knowledge?
If they just knew there were people called Christians, is it still their fault for rejecting it?
No
They had to concsiously reject it
Or would they have to know of the bible, at least the largeer moral principles, and so on?
Wouldn't this mean it would be better to not spread the Gospel at all
No, because the people still have to live moral lives despite the lack of knowledge
Okay, just making sure I understand.
Which isn't every case
Why? It would make it harder for them to go to paradise.
I mean, if they raped a child and beheaded their wife...
People without God are more likely to do this?
I mean, they can't live 100% Christian lives. But they can be good by what their heart calls them to do.
IE God's pulling them toward goodess.
Then Christians should not spread the Gospel
Because it would make it harder on pagans.
It wouldn't make it harder. There's no guarantee that they'll live moral lives having no knowledge of it.
Pagans have a higher chance of living immoral lives that would send them to hell compared to Christians?
Jesus Christ wants us to bring the whole world into captivity to the truth, and the truth is Jesus himself, who is "the way, and the truth, and the life" (John 14:6). Spreading the faith is a task not only for bishops, priests, and religious—it is a task for all Catholics (CCC 905).