Message from @Sorghagtani Beki

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2017-06-13 04:00:16 UTC  

lmao fuck Azov

2017-06-13 04:00:42 UTC  

I specially by theologians who make arguments for the existence of God based on oversimplified observations. They are, as Freuerbach put it, trying to 'deduce empirical existence from an a priori idea'.

2017-06-13 04:01:24 UTC  

They are perfectly happy to accept their conclusions right up until they are empirically shown to be wrong.

2017-06-13 04:02:14 UTC  

I disagree with religion in that it teaches you to be content with no motivation to search for more

2017-06-13 04:02:17 UTC  

They assume an Absolute existence based on a temporary existence.

2017-06-13 04:03:14 UTC  

It would be worse if they did not accept empirical evidence

2017-06-13 04:03:20 UTC  

There are still evolution deniers

2017-06-13 04:04:09 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/324036194201763840/Communist_Party_of_Ireland_banner.jpg

2017-06-13 04:04:09 UTC  

If the Church ever has to retract Aquinas' argument, based on 'all things that move are moved by other things' (Compendium of Theology), because science refutes it, then whole thing goes down.

2017-06-13 04:04:18 UTC  

Catholics don't deny evolution.

2017-06-13 04:04:48 UTC  

It won't go down. They will simply say that they believe in God through faith, as most Christians today do

2017-06-13 04:05:04 UTC  

However, it would be vulnerable to other religions claiming the same

2017-06-13 04:05:15 UTC  

In which case whose is better? There would be no answer

2017-06-13 04:05:34 UTC  

They would jump to trying to prove Jesus' resurrection again

2017-06-13 04:05:39 UTC  

Proving that the theology of the Church was based on an irrational basis, is enough for me.

2017-06-13 04:05:58 UTC  

It would not necessarily be the end of the religion in any major way

2017-06-13 04:06:05 UTC  

Never said it would.

2017-06-13 04:06:07 UTC  

Most Christians I think do not even know the first mover argument

2017-06-13 04:06:36 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/324036812677054464/communist_byzantine_flag_by_k_haderach-d7bk12k.png

2017-06-13 04:07:06 UTC  

But at least I will have no more reservations about setting myself against them, and I can forward such refutes to other intelligent individuals who are unsure about it as I am.

2017-06-13 04:07:25 UTC  

You can refute it already

2017-06-13 04:07:34 UTC  

Make an argument on geographical favoritism

2017-06-13 04:08:15 UTC  

Tengri, is that you?

2017-06-13 04:08:20 UTC  

No

2017-06-13 04:08:26 UTC  

His argument convinced me though

2017-06-13 04:08:42 UTC  

It's a silly argument.

2017-06-13 04:08:46 UTC  

I agree with Tengri too.

2017-06-13 04:08:58 UTC  

But he does make a fair point

2017-06-13 04:09:17 UTC  

Christianity claims god is just and the argument on geographical favoritism clearly puts itself against that claim

2017-06-13 04:09:34 UTC  

The empirical proof would be a world map on religious composition

2017-06-13 04:10:15 UTC  

In principal, only a perfect God can know what is perfect good. Reservations about the realities of Him come from an anthropological basis. You have to first grant that you would know better than a perfect being, which you don't.

2017-06-13 04:11:09 UTC  

So essentially this is the same as arguing that "God is mysterious in his ways"

2017-06-13 04:11:29 UTC  

What is the difference between this and the guy's claim that Tengri is mysterious in making all religions lead to him?

2017-06-13 04:12:32 UTC  

The difference is logical coherency. The 'all roads lead to Tengri' argument is based on a fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivocation

2017-06-13 04:13:50 UTC  

Whereas the perfect God argument is based on the premise that a God exists.

2017-06-13 04:14:19 UTC  

If the premise is that Tengri exists, shouldn't the all religions argument also work for Tengriism?

2017-06-13 04:15:14 UTC  

If Tengri is God, the Tengriist make additional claims about his nature. You need to follow up with additional arguments.

2017-06-13 04:15:43 UTC  

An omnipotent god would be a perfect god, logically

2017-06-13 04:15:52 UTC  

Correct.

2017-06-13 04:16:03 UTC  

Tengriists believe their god is omnipotent

2017-06-13 04:16:11 UTC  

Good so far.