People with Tourettes, Autism, etc. might not be able to control their impulses

It's not really free will as it's the same as animals performing choices

Your desire is an emotion, sure, but it's not an impulse, because it's not an reflex. Free will requires a certain amount of thought

Let me establish that emotions have a positive role. From this I can say that they are not useless, and therefore have weight in practical matters.

I never said they were useless

You need consciousness to have will

I said they were useless in debate

Read again

You need a sense of existence, a first-person perspective, to have conscoiusness

But they are not useless in debate, we just established emotions have a practical role.

This self-sense might not extend to worms, jellyfish, etc.

emotion does matter in a moral debate though

Do chimps have free will?

Of course we'll never really know what it's like to be a worm, so we can only guess

Um

No it doesnt

It does not matter in a moral debate

Not at all

When we talk about free will, we're talking about choosing things that we've given thought, right?

why not? wouldn't societal emotion dictate law and order, as well as simple beliefs, morals?

Sure but are you saying animals don't give thought?

Emotion informs the subject matter of debate. It does matter.

No you determine what is best for society as a whole in moral debates

Not on emotions

I think some animals do, such as a dog that lets its owner put a biscuit on its nose

For example law and order

That's good for society as a whole

That takes some willpower, you know

what makes law and order good

Ok but that's not free will

Why not?

I think it's a scale, it's not like binary

Law and order is good because humans who did not care about being civil did not cooperate well with each other

And they died

A dog has less free will than you or me, but it does make decisions based on it's consciousness

*its

so those who felt it was important to care established standards

it seems incorrect to exclude emotion from a moral debate

but i can see why you might disagree

Let's have a moral debate on the death penalty

Someone gets emotional and says it should not happen because human rights bla bla