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2017-06-30 04:31:14 UTC  

Then in that case if they are using to leverage control, they would be shut down.

2017-06-30 04:35:30 UTC  

And in times when the state needs to control labor more intensely, they would begin programs that would probably begin programs and incentives to join into the work force in cases such as war, such as higher wages, war bonds, as well as mobiilizing the market to shift the majority of production to be sent to the military rather than the general population, so food stamps would begin to be issued in order to cut down on food waste that could be sent to the military, and to decrease costs of keeping their soldiers fit and ready for war, as well as having limits placed on what the population can acquire or use on specific items in order to cut down on waste of items, and to again, make it cheaper to send people to war.

2017-06-30 04:38:28 UTC  

What if the state cannot afford to pay its war labour higher wages?

2017-06-30 04:38:57 UTC  

Will they nationalise companies?

2017-06-30 04:39:06 UTC  

'Socialise'

2017-06-30 04:39:47 UTC  

Incentives cost lots of money, money which can be better spent.

2017-06-30 04:39:49 UTC  

Then they must find some other way to entice people into getting people to work in labor, let it be bonds that the government pays back later, or something different entirely.

2017-06-30 04:40:25 UTC  

And how will the government promises to make good on its bonds?

2017-06-30 04:41:58 UTC  

The more people are working the more money that should be generated, along with that at the end of the war the military will largely go down in costs so the government will no longer have to run any more programs that will take a large chunk out of the budget, with that the government *SHOULD* be able to make good on it's bonds.

2017-06-30 04:42:49 UTC  

Plus, with the soldiers returning from war the more money you can get from a very large amount of people coming back into the work force.

2017-06-30 04:44:07 UTC  

There's a pressure point here. The incentive of the government depends on its reputation to deliever on its promises. When the people lose confidence, there will be problems.

2017-06-30 04:46:18 UTC  

In that case if there is a threat that the population may no longer have any trust in the government's promises, then I believe there should be a *TEMPORARY* silence of freedom of speech, which is meant to reduce the possibility of the government becoming weak from fear.

2017-06-30 04:46:59 UTC  

Ignorance, truly is bliss.

2017-06-30 04:47:04 UTC  

I see this deteriorating into an socialist authoritarian state anyway.

2017-06-30 04:47:33 UTC  

The government repossess factories and weapons etc. that are working against its interests.

2017-06-30 04:47:48 UTC  

Selling out to foreign states etc.

2017-06-30 04:48:10 UTC  

Selling out to foreign countries?

2017-06-30 04:48:42 UTC  

I very much dislike the idea of selling out jobs to foreign countries just because it is cheaper.

2017-06-30 04:48:44 UTC  

Sure. If there is no confidence in ther government, companies are going to look elsewhere for support and capital.

2017-06-30 04:49:08 UTC  

If you put limits of profit, this will happen.

2017-06-30 04:49:28 UTC  

You have to build the wall (to keep them in).

2017-06-30 04:50:12 UTC  
2017-06-30 04:50:35 UTC  

Then that is why the state must build confidence in it's population.

2017-06-30 04:50:56 UTC  

If it must become an authoritarian state to do so, then so be it.

2017-06-30 04:51:14 UTC  

Yes, and its confidence is completely decided by catering to the whims of the population, which is a losing battle.

2017-06-30 04:51:40 UTC  

You have to have an iron fist, and show the way, even if they do not like it.

2017-06-30 04:52:08 UTC  

Then that is what the government must do.

2017-06-30 04:52:41 UTC  

This is why I believe in a very strong government, because it will show the population the correct way, even if it is a rude awakening.

2017-06-30 04:53:37 UTC  

Personal interests like profit work against a strong government. Which is way it must move towards socialism, so no one can claim personal interests in profits. They must commit themselves to the state for full compliance and productivity.

2017-06-30 04:54:12 UTC  

It may not be clear now, but when shit hits the fan, it becomes the only way forward.

2017-06-30 04:54:30 UTC  

And then what happens when things calm down?

2017-06-30 04:55:31 UTC  

Things calm down when global capitalism is destroyed. The world population is educated. And then there is no more need for the state. But then the free market will not return, because man has learned to live without exploitation.

2017-06-30 04:55:38 UTC  

And why can't profit be beneficial to the state if done correctly?

2017-06-30 04:55:58 UTC  

Profit starts the cycle all over again.

2017-06-30 04:56:08 UTC  

There can be no profit. Ever.

2017-06-30 04:57:07 UTC  

Like I said, the free market I have in mind will be modified not to produce explotiation of the people, but to genuinely distribute not just essential resources, but also luxuries that people will get using currency.

2017-06-30 04:58:44 UTC  

Free market implies private ownership, which leads to competition, which leads to accrue of capital.

2017-06-30 04:59:03 UTC  

And to acquire resources, the population would use and do whatever they needed to, then would sell them to somewhere else where they may be perfected then sold again to be distributed.

2017-06-30 04:59:05 UTC  

All property must be publically owned.

2017-06-30 04:59:37 UTC  

How do you reasonably expect humans not to compete with each other?

2017-06-30 04:59:50 UTC  

Even if free market could somehow be used only for distribution, it is not very efficient.