If private property did not create financial interests at odds with the state, then why would the state have to intervene ever? There is a clear contradiction here that is not resolved. Why? Because Fascism is the guard dog of the bourgeoisie and you are accepting its ideology.

Without Hitler there would be no Israel. You are not seeing this?

socialism could only ever work in an extremely small nation anyways, so this argument is kind of pointless

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Was USSR a small nation?

it failed

remember

also, thats communism

@Panaffles you don't know what perestroika is

>Stalin
>defeats 80% of Wehrmacht
>failed
OK boss.

it ended pretty quickly ol

@Firefly

I very much doubt that israel would still not exist without hitler, but anyways, it seems that humans will always clash with the state no matter what, the only way it would not is if the state was a magic utopia that made all happy under it's ideology, sadly no matter how many times you read the communist manifesto it will never turn out that way.

@Deleted User im talking about a stable nation where the majority of people arent starving lol

sure it might have been good for a few, but for the entire population it wasnt very good at al

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@Panaffles
>starving nation
>defeats 80% of Wehrmacht
Are Slavs superhuman?

youre only focusing on one event. are you even listening to what im saying

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youre also disregarding the fact that the USSR nearly lost to the Nazis...

@Chopin#0138 >USSR
>Millions died from starvation in an attempt to industrialize
>Country is still masively outdated
>Manages to defeat hitler in the coming war
>Ends up in a competition with the US that in the end causes the country go fall apart and cause the disbanding of the union
>IT STILL WORKED THOUGH

It did.

>first man into space

There are reasons why it collapse. Most because they deStalinised

lol

Stalinization was causing genocides and mass starvations, if they wanted to keep image they had to stop eventually.

@Panaffles you mister have to focus on another event. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perestroika

Im not really familiar with the event. Ill read up on it

ive only heard about it a few times

Who care about image when you're a superpower

chopin, you do recognize that millions and millions of people died because of genocide and starvation, right?

Whatever the number is, it didn't seem to slow them down.

that isnt a good thing

You are going to have to care about image when there is another country that is ready to launch nuclear missiles at your country for any reason at any time.

Genocides and starvations would not help.

yeah, the cold war was mostly based on image overall tbh

@Panaffles billions been eaten by comrade Stalin right?

pardon?

gorillans

Why not trilluons