Message from @Tristan-Jyrki

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2017-07-01 12:00:57 UTC  

I agree with the fact that Cuba is definitely too authorian on that matter, but my point was a public option doesn't have to mean bad maintainance

2017-07-01 12:01:09 UTC  

and yet it always does

2017-07-01 12:01:53 UTC  

Not really though. Cubas boycott means they can't really prioritise anything, so I'm saying with a budget

2017-07-01 12:01:58 UTC  

it wouldn't be a problem

2017-07-01 12:02:10 UTC  

Not to mention Soviet Unions budget focused on war

2017-07-01 12:03:02 UTC  

yeah and plus with them being a socialist government, their public spending was catastrophic and that coupled with their insanely high military budget it caused the USSR to collapse

2017-07-01 12:03:10 UTC  

and thats what happens in socialist countries

2017-07-01 12:03:20 UTC  

And in the US

2017-07-01 12:03:22 UTC  

runaway public spending and debt based economies are unsustainable by nature

2017-07-01 12:03:23 UTC  

yes

2017-07-01 12:03:38 UTC  

I wouldn't exactly say USA is an amazing capitalist country

2017-07-01 12:03:42 UTC  
2017-07-01 12:04:24 UTC  

The reason why USSR had to focus on military was mostly due to ww2 and getting threats from everywhere

2017-07-01 12:04:49 UTC  

yeah it was a clash for global hegemony

2017-07-01 12:05:05 UTC  

which they ultimately lost because their ideology and economy was unsustainable

2017-07-01 12:05:26 UTC  

much the same can be said for the west, just we had a far more robust system in place

2017-07-01 12:05:35 UTC  

Which they mostly lost due to imperialism

2017-07-01 12:05:39 UTC  

one that actually incentivized people to work instead of having to coerce them

2017-07-01 12:05:53 UTC  

which is why no western nation has ever had to build walls to stop people from leaving

2017-07-01 12:06:01 UTC  

Which in it's self is betreyal to anything leftist

2017-07-01 12:06:19 UTC  

imperialism is the nature of civilization itself

2017-07-01 12:06:23 UTC  

its its natural conclusion

2017-07-01 12:06:32 UTC  

Imperialism is the nature of capitalism

2017-07-01 12:06:34 UTC  

power begets more power

2017-07-01 12:06:38 UTC  

Not civilisation

2017-07-01 12:06:43 UTC  

but the USSR was imperialist

2017-07-01 12:06:47 UTC  

in every way the USA was

2017-07-01 12:06:53 UTC  

You had primitive civilisations

2017-07-01 12:06:57 UTC  

without a state

2017-07-01 12:07:09 UTC  

do you mean neolithic civilizations?

2017-07-01 12:07:17 UTC  

because even the earliest civilizations were states in a sense

2017-07-01 12:07:22 UTC  

in that people worked under one banner

2017-07-01 12:07:42 UTC  

>state just means people rule under a collective being

2017-07-01 12:07:46 UTC  

No.

2017-07-01 12:07:47 UTC  

but my point is the USSR was also imperialist

2017-07-01 12:07:52 UTC  

yeah it does though

2017-07-01 12:08:00 UTC  

no it doesn't

2017-07-01 12:08:10 UTC  

you have people working with leadership and a collective identity

2017-07-01 12:08:14 UTC  

thats basically a state

2017-07-01 12:08:22 UTC  

humans are herd mammals