Message from @Tristan-Jyrki

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2017-07-01 12:15:40 UTC  

you want a stateless state

2017-07-01 12:15:47 UTC  

I do read early human history

2017-07-01 12:15:50 UTC  

Again

2017-07-01 12:15:52 UTC  

a strawman.

2017-07-01 12:15:56 UTC  

What's your ideology?

2017-07-01 12:16:01 UTC  

thats not relevant

2017-07-01 12:16:04 UTC  

Yes it is.

2017-07-01 12:16:10 UTC  

Okay which class were in charge of this state? Exactly how'd this state use violence to keep the "proletariat" down?

2017-07-01 12:16:12 UTC  

I'm a Libertarian Communist.

2017-07-01 12:16:14 UTC  

Or slave owners

2017-07-01 12:16:23 UTC  

dont strawman my arguments by using personal attacks and ad hominems

2017-07-01 12:16:28 UTC  

adress what im saying

2017-07-01 12:16:31 UTC  

I am

2017-07-01 12:16:34 UTC  

judge me by the content of my character

2017-07-01 12:16:55 UTC  

It would be an ad hominem if I was simply denouncing your argument by personally attacking you.

2017-07-01 12:17:11 UTC  

I'm not though.

2017-07-01 12:18:12 UTC  

It's relevant because Seedle for example believes in the immediate destruction of the state (I assume) And I believe that when the proletariat has taken over the state and is done with it

2017-07-01 12:18:14 UTC  

it'll die out

2017-07-01 12:18:37 UTC  

Though I'm not too sure how ancom works

2017-07-01 12:19:03 UTC  

but if you remove the state and still have a leadership and a clear direction, a government essentially

2017-07-01 12:19:06 UTC  

Sorry libcom*

2017-07-01 12:19:07 UTC  

how do you not have a state

2017-07-01 12:19:27 UTC  

In which case I'm even more confused

2017-07-01 12:19:40 UTC  

In terms of a political entity, a state is any politically organized community living under a single system of government.[

2017-07-01 12:19:44 UTC  

>how do you not have a state

2017-07-01 12:19:52 UTC  

Because there's no class to enforce their will on you

2017-07-01 12:20:16 UTC  

Yeah a state needs to force violence upon a certain class

2017-07-01 12:20:21 UTC  

Semi-relevant and it'll open your eyes a bit on a historical materialist approach to history and class society.

2017-07-01 12:20:24 UTC  

does it have to though

2017-07-01 12:20:31 UTC  

without that it wont really function as a state

2017-07-01 12:21:19 UTC  

brb

2017-07-01 12:21:28 UTC  

this article refers to rome in 133BC as an empire even though it was still a republic at that point

2017-07-01 12:21:39 UTC  

and would remain on for almost 150 more years

2017-07-01 12:21:57 UTC  

0/10

2017-07-01 12:29:22 UTC  

the main downfall of rome was touched on in this article

2017-07-01 12:29:37 UTC  

that being the mass influx of slaves and collectivization of private property

2017-07-01 12:29:58 UTC  

with the original romans who built the empire becoming basically a minority in their own empire, rome was no longer roman

2017-07-01 12:30:16 UTC  

and quickly lost all of the values and ethos that built it to such great heights in the first place

2017-07-01 12:30:26 UTC  

thats why it became so directionless and decayed over time

2017-07-01 12:30:49 UTC  

what the fuck is this