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social democrat8

not socialist

All what a company sells/gets money from must be from the labor of it's workers. In other words, the source of the revenue is that of the worker. In order for profits to exist, and for giving employers a reason to employ he workers, the wages must be worth less than that of the workers's labor

there is no way the worker cannot gett full compensation from his labor if the idea of profit exists

Hey everyone

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now ofc this three-line explaination written by someone who hasn't read too much marx will have holes in it

also this is alone not much of an argument for socialism, but it is one of the things that marx build his arguments on

You believe that it is unacceptable that workers get paid less than the "boss"?

it's not that the workers gets less than the boss, it is that he doesn't get what me makes

let's say that the boss also works in his company and is incredibly productive

then in some sort of "moral" solution, he should still be given more since his labor is worth more

the argument is not that of equality

if you want to use this as an argument for socialism and changing the system into one where people do get his labor's worth, you will have to go further

so if the owner of a factory makes 100
pays the workers 30 and the operating cost is 20, he makes a 50 profit for himself
you'd argue he's spread his profits to the workers so he makes as much as the workers?

well no, I want there not to be a owner

to abolish the employer/employee relationsship

And the reason you want that is because of the profit/salary/worker issue?

or are there more reasons

labour alienation

well more or less yeah

labour alienation can happen even in a collectivelly owned factory, no?

there are some things that springs out from that issue that should also be mentioned like labro alienation

it can

I think

I'm not very well versed in marx sadly

at least not as much as I would want to be

@Deleted User I will have to leave you for now, thanks for talking

sure buddy

later

@Deleted User also last point; someone advocating for changing companies into coops (kinda what I've been doing) is called a market socialist. If you want to know more about this you can find Richard D Wolff on youtube and an example of such a system in large scale would be Mondragon in Spain

>2053
>gender/sex removed from ID due to sexism/transphobism
>country/place of birth removed due to xenophobia
>age/date of birth removed due to ageism
>name/surname removed due to racism
>ID only has a unique number attributed to each individual
>every building is painted grey and has no edges as to not trigger anyone
>every piece of clothing is unisex and grey
>phone ringing and i wake up from my cube house that the global corporate government issued to me
>its my boss
>listen to his non-gendered robotic voice that is installed in every human in birth
>"12236-442-11,it says here you only worked for 20 hours instead of 22,care to explain?"
>reply i couldn't afford the no-sleep pill
>"you're terminated"
>try to cry but no tears come out
>they've been genetically removed due to sexism
>slit my throat with my metallic ID as i place my body to the nearest "your body your choice" corpse recycling bin
>muster a smile as i faintly remember what the world use to be

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