is it still really low?

it's low

it's still bad

I voted for the current radical leftist govt

but it won't do any good cause the debt is already too hig

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not anti-gun

@Deleted User Greece does have a heavy crisis.

also greek anarchists are great

love watching their molotov videos

But Greek crisis is not systematical. It is not a crisis of overproduction in Marxist sence.

It is more to do with imperialist exploitation of lesser countries.

You can bail out Greece from imperialist exploitation. But not from the crisis of overproduction.

Wasn't it a chain reaction from the housing bubble?

in US

It was a chain reaction from EU moving production to more effective economy with greater capitals. Open market where Greece can't compete.

Housing bubble is a plus.

Crisis of overproduction will become a heavy plus.

I just hope we have time to prepare.

the realistic strategy would be to create scandinavian type countries and take away as much as we can from the elites so there is a smooth democratic transition to maximum automation

could you say that socialism/marxism can be subsets of democracy ? Because the Demos (the people) are "ruling"
And the majority will always outnumber the elites

Scandi socialism exists under the ambrela of imperialist countries with access to most of the worlds capital. Any embargo from a capitalist states will ruine their econmy completely. Crisis of overproduction will ruine it too

@Deleted User while I think you word it incorrectly, you are right that socialism is by definition democratic

I think that the first world will go more and more towards scandi-type social democracy

with UBI and so on

but it will still be instable and it will show the inherent problems of capitalism whether welfare state or not

Socialism is different. Under Stalin socialist economy had best results so far. More democratic Cuba can't compete.

I think there is more that differs those countries

also many people argue that the USSR wasn't socialist for this very reason

More. But authoritarian socialism is still empirically more efficient.

At this moment

well yes, whether we call it socialist or not, USSR did fare pretty well in industrializing the country

>authoritarian socialism
Why is it so hard to go past dicatatorship

Maybe later somebody is to show a better example. But now we do not confine socialism to democracy.

Socialist states were awfully authoritarian and dictatorial, the polar opposite of what communism advertises

@Deleted User it is difficult both because of the normal reasons of curroption and so on, but it also didn't happen because it wasn't what people cared about. People cared more about industrialization and the war and many other things, than to go further than authorianism

I genuinely believe that it virtually can't go past authoritarianism

Even zizek I think admitted that a scandi type is the realistic solution

one reason for the USSR to be authoritarian is that it most likely nothing else was possible. The vast majority of the country was illeterate

In every socialist dicatorship the marxist elite never give up their power

I don't think there is a good arguent for authoritarianism if a revolution were to happen in europe today