I've missed it

Biggest threat ever = once automation hits, the elites won't let it go, they'll create armies and everything, they won't need the consent of the people

If that happens there's no going back

Elites will rule forever

@Deleted User the idea that the elite would rather purge than let go sure is scary

@Deleted User where did you experience crisis?

Greece

>tfw your nation's proletariat is disarmed

why live

what's the employment rate there?

>being a lefist
>being anti-gun
Sounds like an oxymoron
How do you revolt if you're anti gun

is it still really low?

it's low

it's still bad

I voted for the current radical leftist govt

but it won't do any good cause the debt is already too hig

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not anti-gun

@Deleted User Greece does have a heavy crisis.

also greek anarchists are great

love watching their molotov videos

But Greek crisis is not systematical. It is not a crisis of overproduction in Marxist sence.

It is more to do with imperialist exploitation of lesser countries.

You can bail out Greece from imperialist exploitation. But not from the crisis of overproduction.

Wasn't it a chain reaction from the housing bubble?

in US

It was a chain reaction from EU moving production to more effective economy with greater capitals. Open market where Greece can't compete.

Housing bubble is a plus.

Crisis of overproduction will become a heavy plus.

I just hope we have time to prepare.

the realistic strategy would be to create scandinavian type countries and take away as much as we can from the elites so there is a smooth democratic transition to maximum automation

could you say that socialism/marxism can be subsets of democracy ? Because the Demos (the people) are "ruling"
And the majority will always outnumber the elites

Scandi socialism exists under the ambrela of imperialist countries with access to most of the worlds capital. Any embargo from a capitalist states will ruine their econmy completely. Crisis of overproduction will ruine it too

@Deleted User while I think you word it incorrectly, you are right that socialism is by definition democratic

I think that the first world will go more and more towards scandi-type social democracy

with UBI and so on

but it will still be instable and it will show the inherent problems of capitalism whether welfare state or not

Socialism is different. Under Stalin socialist economy had best results so far. More democratic Cuba can't compete.

I think there is more that differs those countries

also many people argue that the USSR wasn't socialist for this very reason

More. But authoritarian socialism is still empirically more efficient.