Capitalism must be dismantled on a global stage, first of all. This is no easy feat. But it is necessary in order to solves the contradictions between classes that cannot be imposed forever.

The community/the social ownership of production and its fruits should be the goal of a true socialist society

Of course.

Trotsky, marx, lenin, and stalin all failed at that.

Without the elimination of individual mandate, and without the elimination of property

However property may be relegated by the community

And it is more present than ever.

How do you even believe it is possible to do it with communism?

@Deleted User Can you STFU for a second?

Now that was rude.

@Deleted User I don't understand your criticism. Without addressing exploitation everywhere, outside of your own lands, then it will be a threat and invite the repressive forces of capitalism to return.

Who said others cannot be empowered by a socialist nation or people?

This is why Socialism is authoritarian. Because it requires the focus of the masses in the fight.

I am trying to understand why you think there is a problem with socialism as a means to an ends.

Well, it is not just that, it is a necessary stage.

Have you ever heard of the foreigner volunteers for the wehrmacht. Brave men fought with the Germans against their colonial oppressors.
Socialism can be spread without conquest.

Yes.

And it most certainly cannot be a means to an end

All things decay

All systems decay

Yes.

And all ways of life decay

That's what Dialectical Materialism says, too.

If communism occurred and was stable enough to last, it too would eventually find an end and be replaced

Now you're getting it.

Possibly even by the original slave kingdoms Marx talked about

Hence the revolution

In the future, there will be systems that wil come to exist that we cannot even think of.

Precisely

Socialism is supposed to transform into something else. Just like Feudalism transformed into Capitalism.

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Yes, I agree 100%.

Feudalism more or less transformed into monarchism, which then turned into capitalism.

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Though it is true, capitalism started under monarchism.

I am agreeing with you on this point. The fact that systems change is exactly why Marx predicts Socialism.

According to the relationship to production.

It is a social theory.

Yet with that logic, coulden't every system be temporary, considering they all change eventually?

It is a very specific prediction based on the material relationship people have to the means of production. There is a tension between the classes which is fundamental to material existence, and must come to ahead one way or another.

The only way this can be resolved is with socialism, which is why it is predicted in the future.