Message from @Deleted User

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2017-07-17 05:50:02 UTC  

Hence the revolution

2017-07-17 05:50:25 UTC  

In the future, there will be systems that wil come to exist that we cannot even think of.

2017-07-17 05:50:34 UTC  

Precisely

2017-07-17 05:50:56 UTC  

Socialism is supposed to transform into something else. Just like Feudalism transformed into Capitalism.

2017-07-17 05:51:05 UTC  

Yes, I agree 100%.

2017-07-17 05:51:24 UTC  

Feudalism more or less transformed into monarchism, which then turned into capitalism.

2017-07-17 05:51:42 UTC  

RIP fags

2017-07-17 05:51:57 UTC  

Though it is true, capitalism started under monarchism.

2017-07-17 05:53:08 UTC  

I am agreeing with you on this point. The fact that systems change is exactly why Marx predicts Socialism.

2017-07-17 05:53:30 UTC  

According to the relationship to production.

2017-07-17 05:53:39 UTC  

It is a social theory.

2017-07-17 05:54:47 UTC  

Yet with that logic, coulden't every system be temporary, considering they all change eventually?

2017-07-17 05:55:42 UTC  

It is a very specific prediction based on the material relationship people have to the means of production. There is a tension between the classes which is fundamental to material existence, and must come to ahead one way or another.

2017-07-17 05:56:18 UTC  

The only way this can be resolved is with socialism, which is why it is predicted in the future.

2017-07-17 05:56:45 UTC  

@Deleted User everything is temporary.

2017-07-17 05:57:10 UTC  

How could socialism be the only way?

2017-07-17 05:57:29 UTC  

Because it resolves the economic differences between classes.

2017-07-17 05:57:38 UTC  

Is just the next step in development.

2017-07-17 05:58:31 UTC  

Yet how can you say that there could not be another system that resolves economic differences?

2017-07-17 05:58:49 UTC  

There are other systems which have actually existed.

2017-07-17 05:59:01 UTC  

Yet hey were short lived.

2017-07-17 05:59:04 UTC  

It is really a practical question.

2017-07-17 05:59:12 UTC  

Socialism must go too.

2017-07-17 05:59:57 UTC  

My solution to the unreality of the utopia and the destruction of the nation: Self Contained Revolutionary State

2017-07-17 06:00:02 UTC  

The question on how we resolve economic tensions is fundamental. There is strong precedent in Lenin and the USSR, for now, but it is a developing reality.

2017-07-17 06:00:24 UTC  

@Deleted User Introspection and protectionism is political suicide.

2017-07-17 06:00:54 UTC  

@Deleted User Who said it had to be introspective and protectionist?

2017-07-17 06:01:03 UTC  

>self contained

2017-07-17 06:01:13 UTC  

If protectionism should exist, it should be temporary before moving to isolationism.

2017-07-17 06:01:42 UTC  

Self contained in my lingo means "tries not to spill out into a huge schism situation"

2017-07-17 06:01:45 UTC  

No, you idiots. You have to engage with the world and work with it or it will turn against you.

2017-07-17 06:02:07 UTC  

Unity is important.

2017-07-17 06:02:22 UTC  

But you need Authority to hold it.

2017-07-17 06:02:40 UTC  

True, but it is unlikely that unity will ever be universal throughout even the largest and most stable countries.

2017-07-17 06:03:23 UTC  

And what is unity and authority other than a bundle?

2017-07-17 06:03:33 UTC  

A bundle?

2017-07-17 06:03:37 UTC  

A bundle

2017-07-17 06:03:46 UTC  

What's a bundle?

2017-07-17 06:03:53 UTC  

I thought you spoke English

2017-07-17 06:04:30 UTC  

@Deleted User A bundle is usually referred to as a group of something, like a bundle of sticks.