No, don't worry

He's being a devil's advocate.

He just didn't make that particularly clear.

His picture is literally the devil..

Mean :p

Fairs

Can we just have a @Deleted User vs @MrSally on Marxism

Do it

Anyway, let us continue then.

I don't know very much about Marxism. I was more interested in talks of communism.

Communism is the culmination of Marxism into the Utopian Ideal. I would imagine that one would need to understand the fundemental values that lead to Communism to discuss it. Not trying to sound rude.

I'm somewhat post-Marx because he wasn't right about absolutely everything ever, though his prototranshumanist views on technology and post-scarcity are some of my favorites.

Reading the Communist Manifesto before or without reading Das Kaptial is a bit off, I'd say.

Unless you have a different take on Communism, to which I'd like to hear, sir.

Yes, I understand class conflict and all of that

That all has to happen, and it all is happening.

I hope firefly hasn't been advertising on reddit

I see communism as pretty self-evident. I think advanced technology is all it will take for us to be at that point.

To have a complete utopia where all things are equal?

I don't think it will be possible for the bourgeois or the capitalists to control all of that technology for too long, before people realize they are being bled dry when everything they need to live perfect lives is readily there.

@Deleted User wanna vc in marxist talks and talk about this?

Absolutely, technology is the equalizer.

Elaborate please.

Production technology will reach a point where nobody will ever need anything to survive again.

Food?

And someone will have to produce these items. Unless you are talking about some totally mechanized world where humans subsist in tubes.

Bro we're literally going to have Star Trek-style replicators. This is actually a thing we will have in the future. Food won't be a problem.

But greed will.

Greed won't even be a trait that shows up in humans anymore.

You cannot remove the Nature Factor from a predatory animal.

This is the next stage in our evolution we're talking about here.

Greed will be seen as a defect, and people who have it won't have power.

Who will decide this? And only the most egalitarian few actually possess such selfless traits, you'd need to genocide 90% of mankind.

Unfortunately.

naaaah just kidding, it would probably be more like 10%.

No, it will be like 90%.

The population of completely incurable psychopaths out there is not that big.

It's evolution we're talking about, we evolved as predators.

Into not-predators.

Technology removes the need for stalking our prey for weeks

It turns it into a leisure activity, actually.