Message from @Deleted User

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2017-07-25 08:32:09 UTC  

No, don't worry

2017-07-25 08:32:15 UTC  

He's being a devil's advocate.

2017-07-25 08:32:22 UTC  

He just didn't make that particularly clear.

2017-07-25 08:32:26 UTC  

His picture is literally the devil..

2017-07-25 08:32:33 UTC  

Mean :p

2017-07-25 08:32:35 UTC  

Fairs

2017-07-25 08:32:44 UTC  

Can we just have a @Deleted User vs @MrSally on Marxism

2017-07-25 08:32:58 UTC  

Do it

2017-07-25 08:33:03 UTC  

Anyway, let us continue then.

2017-07-25 08:33:18 UTC  

I don't know very much about Marxism. I was more interested in talks of communism.

2017-07-25 08:34:11 UTC  

Communism is the culmination of Marxism into the Utopian Ideal. I would imagine that one would need to understand the fundemental values that lead to Communism to discuss it. Not trying to sound rude.

2017-07-25 08:34:38 UTC  

I'm somewhat post-Marx because he wasn't right about absolutely everything ever, though his prototranshumanist views on technology and post-scarcity are some of my favorites.

2017-07-25 08:35:02 UTC  

Reading the Communist Manifesto before or without reading Das Kaptial is a bit off, I'd say.

2017-07-25 08:35:55 UTC  

Unless you have a different take on Communism, to which I'd like to hear, sir.

2017-07-25 08:36:05 UTC  

Yes, I understand class conflict and all of that

2017-07-25 08:36:16 UTC  

That all has to happen, and it all is happening.

2017-07-25 08:36:30 UTC  

I hope firefly hasn't been advertising on reddit

2017-07-25 08:37:22 UTC  

I see communism as pretty self-evident. I think advanced technology is all it will take for us to be at that point.

2017-07-25 08:38:13 UTC  

To have a complete utopia where all things are equal?

2017-07-25 08:38:30 UTC  

I don't think it will be possible for the bourgeois or the capitalists to control all of that technology for too long, before people realize they are being bled dry when everything they need to live perfect lives is readily there.

2017-07-25 08:38:35 UTC  

@Deleted User wanna vc in marxist talks and talk about this?

2017-07-25 08:38:46 UTC  

Absolutely, technology is the equalizer.

2017-07-25 08:39:15 UTC  

Elaborate please.

2017-07-25 08:39:48 UTC  

Production technology will reach a point where nobody will ever need anything to survive again.

2017-07-25 08:40:08 UTC  

Food?

2017-07-25 08:40:59 UTC  

And someone will have to produce these items. Unless you are talking about some totally mechanized world where humans subsist in tubes.

2017-07-25 08:41:09 UTC  

Bro we're literally going to have Star Trek-style replicators. This is actually a thing we will have in the future. Food won't be a problem.

2017-07-25 08:41:24 UTC  

But greed will.

2017-07-25 08:41:35 UTC  

Greed won't even be a trait that shows up in humans anymore.

2017-07-25 08:41:43 UTC  

You cannot remove the Nature Factor from a predatory animal.

2017-07-25 08:41:45 UTC  

This is the next stage in our evolution we're talking about here.

2017-07-25 08:41:57 UTC  

Greed will be seen as a defect, and people who have it won't have power.

2017-07-25 08:42:55 UTC  

Who will decide this? And only the most egalitarian few actually possess such selfless traits, you'd need to genocide 90% of mankind.

2017-07-25 08:43:31 UTC  

Unfortunately.

2017-07-25 08:43:50 UTC  

naaaah just kidding, it would probably be more like 10%.

2017-07-25 08:44:03 UTC  

No, it will be like 90%.

2017-07-25 08:44:14 UTC  

The population of completely incurable psychopaths out there is not that big.

2017-07-25 08:44:24 UTC  

It's evolution we're talking about, we evolved as predators.

2017-07-25 08:44:36 UTC  

Into not-predators.

2017-07-25 08:45:10 UTC  

Technology removes the need for stalking our prey for weeks

2017-07-25 08:45:19 UTC  

It turns it into a leisure activity, actually.