So Russia would love it if the EU fails, on the other hand the EU has it's own risks, I'd hate it if they got their own army

As long as NATO stays in tact it should be good, right?

Exactly, im against both but i think that this effort of detaching from the eu should be purely western, not induced and funded by russkies

Because then danger appears

The tale of Russia being our friend is an absurd fairy tale

the eternal russian

It wouldn't matter at all if the EU collapsed

NATO is still operational

Maybe not the eternal russian but they have no good intentions towards us

While every euro leader was critical when Trump said we should up our military budget to meet the 2% agreement I was very happy with his words

Europe has been to complacent, we need a strong army(not EU army)

Yep and that will start with the rehomogenisation of their countries

restablishing national unity and pride in ones people

A strong military tradition wouldn't be bad at all

Bunch of weak cucks right now in western europe

Tbh out of all the western world

I can see europe rising up the most

They have the most pressure to

We have a long history of conquest, never underestimate the europeans

I see, within the next twenty years or so, A nationalist uprising that will end in great deals of Bloodshead

for the Europeans

In kicking out the turks yes, not between european countries I don't think

If Erdogan keeps this up a conflict will come

I think hes referring to a nationalist uprising specifically against multiculturalism

Probably the single factor which angers nationalists the most

forced multiculturalism onto nations

it's very surprising how nations weren't given a vote or any say of the sort on this

They fear a referendum so hard, the few times they give hold them they get btfo

yet they ignore our vote and ask for a revote or blatantly ignore it

I have severe contempt for the big parties in my country (netherlands) because of this

I'd be very curious to see a referendum put directly on whether multiculturalism should be continued or not

of course they will never dare to do so

a new party is rising up FAST in my country that promises just that

I think he'll slay these weak europhiles

I wouldn't mind the EU as much if they more about preserving ethnic homogenity in Europe

although I think that is sort of an oxymoron

EU with strong borders is all you need to calm the eurosceptics, but that will never happen

I'd still have issues with the EU but that would be acceptable for most of them

Honestly, I don't think the EU is really needed at all

as long as there is NATO they have no purpose

not unless they intend ultimately to unite Europe under one flag