Message from @Antillean

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2017-08-01 02:51:04 UTC  

It's simple, but you cannot even read my simple words. Our experience is not neurotransmitters, even if it is wholly formed by them. If we did, we wouldn't need science, because we could already observe it.

2017-08-01 02:52:27 UTC  

Generally speaking, for most people, external things are projected into our sensory nerves, which transmit a signal through neurotransmitters to the brain, where more neurotransmitters transmit more signals to the part of the brain that deals with advanced subjective experience, where more neurotransmitters process those signals constantly when we are alert and conscious.

2017-08-01 02:52:49 UTC  

And that advanced subjective experience is what we call 'consciousness'

2017-08-01 02:53:04 UTC  

The act of being conscious and consciousness itself are two different things

2017-08-01 02:53:31 UTC  

What do you call this theory

2017-08-01 02:53:36 UTC  

Neuroscience

2017-08-01 02:53:47 UTC  

You're missing my point entirely.

2017-08-01 02:53:57 UTC  

The conscious part, not the sensory nerves and transmitters

2017-08-01 02:53:58 UTC  

What's your fucking point, sir?

2017-08-01 02:54:14 UTC  

Oh, that's just the definitions of words.

2017-08-01 02:54:25 UTC  

Because string theory says otherwise, was curious what your theory comes from

2017-08-01 02:54:30 UTC  

The explanation of consciousness is different from the experience of it.

2017-08-01 02:54:35 UTC  

Conscious as most people use it means "awake" or "not unconscious".

2017-08-01 02:54:36 UTC  

>string theory

2017-08-01 02:55:15 UTC  

Whereas "consciousness" is an abstract term used by philosophers as a catchall for sensory perception and the "meaning" of our senses.

2017-08-01 02:55:41 UTC  

There is no 'hard problem of consiousness', it's all a chemical reaction

2017-08-01 02:55:47 UTC  

I never said there was.

2017-08-01 02:55:55 UTC  

You are just going off on a tangent.

2017-08-01 02:56:03 UTC  

No, I'm being precise.

2017-08-01 02:56:36 UTC  

Now please explain the diference between the experience of what we call consciousness, and consciousness itself.

2017-08-01 02:57:04 UTC  

Im of the opinion no one knows what consciousness is, but im not about to effort post

2017-08-01 02:57:21 UTC  

I used to be of that opinion too.

2017-08-01 02:57:38 UTC  

Subjective versus objective.

2017-08-01 02:57:43 UTC  

I just wasn't compelled by the evidence that consciousness is not entirely comprised of chemical reactions in your brain and nothing more.

2017-08-01 02:58:04 UTC  

I know, that's not my contention whatsoever.

2017-08-01 02:58:05 UTC  

I mean, the lack of evidence.

2017-08-01 02:58:12 UTC  

Ok

2017-08-01 02:58:44 UTC  

That's cool, I'm just being very precise with *my* words so people understand what *I* mean. I'm not trying to correct you.

2017-08-01 03:00:25 UTC  

Lots of pseudoscience in here

2017-08-01 03:00:39 UTC  

And they are just as likely to be wrong as everyone else

2017-08-01 03:01:00 UTC  

The US government employs pseudoscientific people a lot more than people would probably like to admit

2017-08-01 03:01:03 UTC  

It's pretty disgusting

2017-08-01 03:01:17 UTC  

Not in here specifically

2017-08-01 03:01:20 UTC  

But in this document

2017-08-01 03:03:53 UTC  

One last go. Our subjective experience - consciousness, whatever you want to call it - is the first thing we confront in the world. It is primary to our existence, however it really arises. It is interpretive and intuitive, not scientific or all-knowing. Referring back to spirituality and life, it is a byproduct of this natural state, the way man works and lives in the world. It does not mean, at all, it is correct in an objective sense, it is just his impression of things. It can clearly be demonstrated by science that his ideas are misplaced, like someone believing dreams really happen. But then, knowing the objective explanation of subjective experience is not enough to stop it, cancel it, or modify it to not be mistaken again. It is only possible to re-interpret and fight against our intuitions. But it is apart of our mechanics as human beings, our nature.

2017-08-01 03:04:54 UTC  

Ehh

2017-08-01 03:05:05 UTC  

Mankind has to become something else entirely to stop believing in myths.

2017-08-01 03:05:05 UTC  

I'm pretty awake to all of those little mechanisms

2017-08-01 03:05:20 UTC  

Or misunderstandings.

2017-08-01 03:06:20 UTC  

When you have an anxiety disorder, you notice the animalistic underpinnings of your consciousness when you have anxiety-provoking experiences.