Yee it's dat one

those fucking dastardly scumbags

Tru

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you see

having argued literally last night with people who'd assert capitalism vs communism in an all-out slugging match of productive efficiency (LOL NO STARVATION IN 1ST WORLD COUNTRIES) it really hits home that none of them could've read anything even remotely related to the subject matter

The first page of this is partly dedicated to describing the US industrial apparatus as one worthy of praise and intrigue, but one fundamentally set apart from collective ownership/operation

Marx talks about it quite a lot too

think he downplays the financial incentives for 1776 though

"The history of modern, civilised America opened with one of those great, really liberating, really revolutionary wars of which there have been so few compared to the vast number of wars of conquest[...]"

Did you recommend this because of what I said about liquidators?

"Small wonder that the international imperialist gang hates us for this, that it “accuses” us, that all the lackeys of the imperialists, including our Right Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, also “accuse” us. The hatred these watchdogs of imperialism express for the Bolsheviks, and the sympathy of the class-conscious workers of the world, convince us more than ever of the justice of our cause."

@Deleted User ahh that's why
"there are *fagots* et fagots, as the French say"

The fuck

'agreements and agreements' I think

Mmhm

might start using 'man in the muffler'

well i wanted to argue about poverty in the western world, you didn't want to

cause if we're counting poverty to the death toll of a system the rest of the systems stand no chance

I wasn't averse to it, I was just correcting some of the misassumptions you made before hand

like?

and I sort of did address it, I acknowledged that capitalism as a mode of production has led to an increase in quality of life

but that assertions made in Das Kapital were relevant as they had their basis in observing material conditions of Russian laborers at the time

I was arguing against the ''death toll'' of capitalism, the article you posted

Specifically?

it included poverty which is insane

I don't know, you posted it

You don't know what you were arguing against?

I didn't write the article mate

you don't know what you were posting as an argument?

lmao

I gave it as food for thought versus the "Communist Death Toll" meme, I hadn't read it all.

and then you complained that I didn't read it fully, when you didn't even do it.

wtf

you hadn't read any of it

you just assumed it was wrong

no shit, I wasn't citing it

let's get the article up again

http://guerrillaontologies.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/

"Poverty. One of the most overlooked causes of death today is something called “structural violence” – that is, violence against the bottom rungs of society in order to make a profit. Structural violence can occur due to lack of medical care, slashing of wages, gentrification, etc. But without a doubt, structural violence is the largest killer WORLDWIDE. Studies performed by Canadian researches Gernot Kohler and Norman Alcock published under the title “An Empirical Table of Structural Violence” found that 18,000,000 people die each year due to systemic poverty"