you can't name me a succesful civilization that didn't do horrible things

they weren't looked down upon because of "race"....thats a European introduction

so either you're anti civilization or a utopian

What if he's both?

the whole European slave trade is sick

probably both

Ignore arab slave trade or african slave trade

Only the abolished ones are bad

@df what civilization do you like?

one that didn't die after 10 years preferably

Aren't there open slave markets in Lybia now?

probably, ISIS is there, but at least the mean dictator is gone!

figures....Muammar Gaddafi wants a united Africa and he gets killed with influence from the west

he was a tyrant however

according to your logic....

he was a lesser tyrant that the puppets the US would like to put in his place

Maybe, but I'm not arguing for interventionism

you're anti tiranny

u basically are this point

so good that he's gone right?

no i'm not

"but he was a tyrant"

right

he was

so blame your goverments for the "refugee crisis"

what?

you're against tiranny right?

are you pro ghadaffi?

the west influenced the collapse of Libya...not for the good of the people, but for their own greedy selfish reasons

sure

but a tyrant was brought down, you agree with that right?

Yeah he was a tyrant

if the british empire collapsed you would be happy right?

back when it was big

there was a great talk on Oxford where a indian guy talked about the aweful effect the Brits had on that country

countries ripped apart and dragged to war

sad they had to do tha

please answer the question

i would wish the british empire never was

sure, but you were happy it collapsed right?

what are you getting at?