Which logic? Aristotlean or?

@Deleted User Yet for humans, it is instinct to care for their young because they are unable to fend for themselves in a natural environment at a very young age, and are very susceptible to disease, and infection.

Just the regular kind of logic. The same kind underlying pretty much all of math.

When people *don't* use these basic axioms, things get wacky.

@Deleted User Yes, exactly. But this is uncommon in animal kingdom.

If A = B and B = C, then A = C.

Prove that to me without your fee-fees.

@Deleted User That's what makes humans and most species of apes unique.

>regular logic
>doesn't know the difference between philosophy and maths

(In terms of caring for their young)

The fucking Peano axioms then. I think I explained myself pretty well but if you're gonna get nitpicky.

Expalin the Peano axioms without resorting to gut feeling.

Read Kant.

Lol didn't think you could.

>muh Kant

What are you, Ruskie?

Read Wittgenstein

Peano is maths.

So when you try to claim that morality doesn't exist because the basic foundations of morality are based on gut feeling, just know that the exact same argument applies to math.

http://strangebeautiful.com/other-texts/kant-first-critique-cambridge.pdf

Math isn't real either and all things are relative. It still works pretty damn well though, to such an extent that I think it's fair to call it real (if abstract) but I don't really care what you call it. It works and we *should* use it.

Oh boy.

should should should

It is useful.

It makes sense.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

@discordian#3213 Math is fucking dum an sheit

[Aristotelian screeching]

ololol I mean it's just arguing over word definitions at some point

But I used math to demonstrate that nothing is free of gut feeling.

Math *and* logic btw.

Of course. Humans have feelings. This you can have.

You can't call me out for logical fallacies without resorting to a system of logic built upon axioms based on gut feelings.

@discordian#3213 If I print out a math equation in a 3D printer, does that make math real?

Only if that equation is five pounds of flax.

The "can math into real" is way too advanced for anyone here imho

Easily one of the hardest philosophical questions out there

You think?

Yup

It's the ultimate underlying fabric. Shrug.

I've read a small bit of it, and my brain hurt '~'