Message from @Sn0w ❄

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2017-09-02 06:27:41 UTC  

@Sn0w ☭ ❄#4209 well, Lenin did enforce anti-religion for Christian. As Muslims were oppressed in Russian Empire Lenin, bolsheviks and Stalin did try to make friendship with Muslims. But that is tactic and strategy.

2017-09-02 06:28:26 UTC  

@Firefly Seeing how the russian empire was generated from mouscouvy, which had to fight off jihad's as well as the khans, I could see their reasoning for that.

2017-09-02 06:28:29 UTC  

Here we go. Splitting straws. One is much worse or more successful ,therefore my guys are not as bad. Not that I care. If you're doing your job, people are going to want to call you terrorists. Look at Antifa.

2017-09-02 06:28:51 UTC  

The Bolsheviks were an alien force tbh

2017-09-02 06:29:00 UTC  

the Russian people were a Christian people

2017-09-02 06:29:02 UTC  

It was foreseen that in the future Muslim colonial states will gain greater power and sovereignty. It was very wise to support Muslim ex-colonies

2017-09-02 06:29:20 UTC  

and they **hated** Christians, and by that **Russians**

2017-09-02 06:29:30 UTC  

@Deleted User there were a reasoning indeed.

2017-09-02 06:29:55 UTC  

@Deleted User Though do you see hezbollah decapitating people who were not sunni, or preforming drone attacks on schools?

2017-09-02 06:31:00 UTC  

@Deleted User No. But this doesn't mean that you get a free pass.

2017-09-02 06:31:48 UTC  

'Terrorist' is just a bourgeois buzzword, anyway.

2017-09-02 06:31:55 UTC  

At that point UK Empire was shaking and a rising Muslim states would cripple the Imperialism of a time.

2017-09-02 06:32:01 UTC  

Communists were terrorists too.

2017-09-02 06:32:01 UTC  

Is the same now tbh

2017-09-02 06:32:13 UTC  

But USA and EU is imperialist

2017-09-02 06:32:48 UTC  

Yeah you can argue that it was tactics, but Lenin still never enforced anti-religion laws. He knew it would have been political suicide

2017-09-02 06:33:09 UTC  

Whereas Stalin shut down churches and mosques and actively forced it on the people

2017-09-02 06:33:19 UTC  

Communism is not inherently anti-religion

2017-09-02 06:33:23 UTC  

Well, they even reverted to neutrality with Christianity after some time, lel

2017-09-02 06:33:41 UTC  

but even so, I still don't think that a person has to be atheist to be leftwinged

2017-09-02 06:33:48 UTC  

yeah the did after a while

2017-09-02 06:34:55 UTC  

@olev It is.

2017-09-02 06:35:09 UTC  

It was Stalin's idea to support sovereignty of Muslim states. He argued it with the Party for couple of years.

2017-09-02 06:35:28 UTC  

Many were against

2017-09-02 06:35:29 UTC  

@Firefly Meh, this is not my area to debate in since I have little knowledge of 11th-18th century conflicts, but I have a feeling that if the UK intervened within mouscouvy against islam, it would have been minimal at best.

2017-09-02 06:36:15 UTC  

then what happened between 1927 and 1941

2017-09-02 06:36:23 UTC  

why was there so much anti-religion enforced

2017-09-02 06:36:35 UTC  

@Deleted User UK inspired Turks to attack Russia. Twise

2017-09-02 06:37:10 UTC  

@Sn0w ❄ It is a core belief of socialism that religion was a form of oppression.

2017-09-02 06:37:29 UTC  

*is

2017-09-02 06:37:31 UTC  

No.

2017-09-02 06:37:32 UTC  

That's an opinion, not a fact

2017-09-02 06:37:33 UTC  

**Sigh**

2017-09-02 06:37:50 UTC  

That is the core belief of some **Socialists**

2017-09-02 06:38:03 UTC  

Not socialism

2017-09-02 06:38:14 UTC  

@Sn0w ❄ I'm not sure of the internal situation with Muslims tbh. I'm speaking of foreign policy. Stalin claimed that the primary tactic to make world revolution is by attracting Muslims by supporting their anti-Imperialist and anti-colonial resistance.

2017-09-02 06:38:20 UTC  

First of all

2017-09-02 06:38:22 UTC  

@Sn0w ❄ Yet why did lenin say it was a form of oppression? And why did stalin illegalize all religons?

2017-09-02 06:38:29 UTC  

The only core thing about socialism is social ownership